Human Body Parts For Sale- WTF?!?!?!

Paul and Andrea have an interesting topic for everyone this week. So, hold on to your butts. Jeremy Pauley, a self-proclaimed “Collector of Oddities,” thought purchasing human remains through Facebook would be a great idea. Pennsylvania authorities, needless to say, aren’t too keen on this and arrested Pauley. Upon investigating, Pennsylvania police - with help from the F.B.I. – discovered that multiple buckets of human organs, skin, and bones came from Little Rock, Arkansas. The question we raise is Why? These parts belonged to someone. How can you even mail human remains?

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On July 22nd, 2022. Jeremy Polley, aged 40, was arrested. His charges were abuse of a corpse, receiving stolen property and dealing in the proceeds of unlawful activity. He received human body parts using Facebook Messenger. So Paul, what do you think of this guy? That this guy. Yes. What's his name? Jeremy Potente or something? Holly. Holly. Yeah. Jeremy Guy. The other reason why this case, I think this jumped out at me the most is the simple fact that he got the body parts Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uams is our medical school in Little Rock has luckily gets body sometimes donated for the medical students. And nursing students there. And whenever they're finished with the body parts using from school, to this mortuary in central Arkansas to have them cremate him. Well, I guess this lady, But she used the U.S. Postal Service. Yes. Now she but she sent three five gallon buckets like paint buckets, like the crap that, you know, just paint. I guess, as equivalently out of of five gallon buckets of just parts. But what I don't understand is like, okay, you go to the post office anyways and it's usually a long line and you get to pick your box or you bring a box. How do you how do you mail that in? They ask you all these questions like, do you have hazardous materials and do you have this and this and this and this? I mean, obviously, she flat out, I guess, would lie and be like, oh, this is none of that stuff. I mean, how do you how do you do that? I mean, how do you not smell? Smell? Well, those things are sealed, man. But it's paint. You can't let paint seep out. I don't know if she necessarily put in a gallon bucket, but also, like the reports I've got saying she mailed it to him. So I guess I have this vision of this woman putting these parts in Tupperware and sealing it up and mailing it to Pennsylvania. I'm more than likely they were I suspect that they were in bags. But still bags leak. Marked with, you know, the new Amos. I don't think she bought the homes because. I know she probably just took them and threw. Them in the well, she's part of the mortuary so I guess assume you know, she wants to she's going to get four. Now, just be clear. That's not your. Message. No, no, no, it's not. Um, she works for the mortuary that cremate them. It was at Central. Arkansas Central Mortuary. Yeah, but what I don't understand is how do you mail those? How do you mail those without. Well, you can mail anything. Ah, you can mail technically anything. And I was. Not supposed. To know I was looking at the Postal Service's stuff about like what could you mail. And they have directions for everything from like dead wild animals to warm blooded animals to bees to medication to hazardous materials to there was really nothing specific, even blood products. You can't mail radium radioactive stuff, though. Well, then how does a hospital get like there? Told me that yesterday. They probably get it mail in some specific type packaging because they have to. We don't Arkansas doesn't exactly have like, you know a plant that uses their contrast up the road. I'm sure it has to be mailed to them somehow. Jim Bob's record service, he just happens to have an MRI. That's very. Scary. Anyways. But I mean, it was kind of interesting to say that, but there's no specific thing that I could find in there that says, if you're going to marry a mary, if you're going to ship a heart, here's what's here's a directions on how to ship a heart. So I would love to like if there anybody postal service out there that's like more studios to understanding some of this stuff is anybody go on the website it's like section 5.5 A says this. Is welcome to government bureaucracy at its best the U.S. Postal Service which is probably why that they lose money every single time you mail an envelope. But this guy, though, that received them, he's supposedly he's a collector of oddities. Okay. And I'm thinking oddities. Well, I like true crime podcasts and a lot of that has oddities that go with it. But I'm not one to like, have like 20 human skulls and three full skeletons in my house. Which is which he does. Which he does. Because we went to this, I guess, Andrea, you went to the his websites and stuff. He did a little research on him. What is this guy? I mean, is it. He's part of something called and I'm probably going mispronounce this a grand wunderkammer and the website was really actually interesting. It's kind of like a group of people that put together festivals around Pennsylvania, surrounding areas for like ghost tours or paintings or kind of a little bit of the macabre stuff, but not like saying, Hey, we're going to have live body parts here, come look and touch. It's come look and touch. You know it like that. No. Okay, that would be scary. But but you know, I mean, there's people that are into that. To each their own. I mean, if you're really into that, I'm happy for you and stuff. But my question is, is, okay, he's really into that. But another thing interesting about this guy is I found out that he likes to do blood paintings. It's just that's not hygienic. No, that's not hygienic. And, you know, also in this wonder came in thing, it talked about how they have a full body mist on site and one of their little festivals will draw your blood and have some sort of gift for your loved one. I mean, do each their own, but not my cup of tea. But, you know, hey, I mean, welcome to America. You can get your gift. It's a painting of me in my own blood. Welcome to the HIV support group. Oh, my gosh. But he's what, like picture paintings and the memento Mori Museum. He's the director and curator of that. He has been to that little museum, sir. It's not even a museum. Throw in is in his house. Maybe, but let's see here. He has like a picture. He's drawn pictures of, like various serial killers and blood paintings. He even has some of his paintings that is shown up in a, I guess you could say kind of a dead Mid-Card museum in New Orleans. Yeah, but those again, those museums are thing. If you've never been to those some of those places are literally a hole in the wall and it's like a ten by ten room or not even that, like an eight by 15 room that has a storefront. And just because they call themselves a museum doesn't mean it's something that everybody in their dog wants to go see. Although it could be just the opposite because there are some big ones. But yeah, I don't I don't know. People are into some really weird stuff, man. But he's got in the Museum of Death in New Orleans, he has Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy paintings. And he has a picture, a painting, a marie Antoinette and the Gettysburg Dame Museum. And supposedly on some of the stuff. From the Gettysburg Day Museum might be something bigger. But I don't know. We need to figure out. We probably should research those places a little bit just to see if they're actually anything that's real or just some dude's got a closet. Oh, yeah. Here's the museum. Back in. Back here in the back. Excuse the shirts. I needed some extra space. You know, he's just kind of in his closet in the back of the house. But, I mean, I guess my question is, is, where are you getting the blood from? Are you like. Well, the phlebotomists on site, they draw your blood and then they draw it? Well, this. Is for something totally different. Like he's doing his like it said in the article, I was reading that he got his blood from various friends and things like that that would donate. And then, you know, he got it from his wife. But then I read other sources. He's divorced. And so, I mean, to each letter. From his wife, has anybody seen the wife? I wonder how she's dealing with all this. Well, you missed that went all the all day long. He got his his wife. His wife donated her blood. But now she's the ex-wife. Has anyone seen her since got. Oh, my. Gosh. Star wide. She's not the body parts, I would hope. She's not the body parts in there. But this guy. Is my ex-wife, Jill. You can tell by the shape of her skull. Yeah, really. But another thing about this thing is, you know, he $4,000 of organs and skin. Well, a human head nets 800 bucks. What are you going to do with it? Well, I don't know. But what disturbs me is I this is my point. The people who thought they were donating their more than likely they got they thought they were donating either their body or their family member's body to science. So they send it to the UMC, where they charge wannabe doctors a bunch of money to cut into this corpse that they got for free, which kind of annoys me. They should be paying the people who donate to the families, you know, pay whatever. I guess it's in trade because they pay for it to be cremated. But and, and they expected all this is for science. This is to train a new doctor. And now their skull is hanging on the wall of some idiot who thinks he's Billy bad ass that bought this $800 skull. And he's just he can barely talk to anybody on the street. And there they are for the rest of the eternity now hung on some idiots wall. And that person who died, I'm pretty sure didn't want that. I would put money on it. Probably not. I mean, one. Out of ten, maybe even like I care. But, you know, I mean, the lady that is selling these to this guy, number one, it's Facebook messenger. Okay. What are you like on Facebook? You know, they have like Facebook marketplace and stuff like that. Under what area of marketplace are you saying I'm selling? Well, they say Marketplace did, but. How else how are you going to market the messenger. Message? She maybe she's always playing devil's advocate for this kind of stuff. Maybe she's like, hey, I got somebody part to you want it. And he's like, Sure, what you got? Maybe. But what gets me is. Paid her four grand. It said in all the reports, anonymous tip, anonymous tip. Sometimes one. Of her friends or one of his friends. Could be. I mean, think about it. If you're like a mortuary worker working with this lady and you're saying that she's making some money on the side, doing something that's considered, you know, probably totally in. The door unlocked for Mr. Jones, the high school principal who has a weird fetish for dead feet. Oh, God. Okay. That's actually a thing that's been there's a few people that have been arrested and put in jail for exactly that man. Things out there. But, you know, or it could be the gentleman here, Mr. Polya, maybe his neighbor sees some weird packaging. Maybe it's a U.S. Postal Service guy he has to deliver. The package is like this package is a little stinky. What is in here? It's it's sloshing around. I'm not sure what it is. I just totally baffles me. But, you know, poor you. A mess is, like, apologized, you know. And so how awful they feel and things like that. And it's our medical school in Arkansas and it kind of hits close to home because it makes you wonder for me what else is going on in this world that people have just not gotten caught. And I know people are laughing and thinking, well, welcome to the world of true crime and serial killers. And everybody is nuts in this and the other. But it's like body parts. I mean, I looked up. They have a child's mandible in there. Yeah. Come on. You have you got to have some sort of morality there. A child who has no morality is not. Maybe this Jeremy dude has morality, but he's just interested in this kind of stuff. Because you told me when we were talking about this earlier that we used to do this kind of stuff all the time and not until like the last hundred years. And we stopped doing it. Yeah. Like I was reading something about Edinburgh and Scotland, you know, it was the seats back in Victorian era of medical education. Yeah. And you know they had. Wonder nobody could get anything right back then. Make it. Try to understand the Scotsman. He's got a little bit of excitement and behind you have no idea what you just said. But they used to have the bodies donated to medical schools. Had to be convicts, so. Well, no, they had to be executed criminals. Executed criminals. So if you think about it, though, people are wanting to learn medicines wanted to advance and there was grave robbing and it was considered completely 100% okay. If they left all their clothes and their valuables. Behind ground. Yeah, they just took the body so they had to undress them. The whole nine yards, but they made a lot of money. I think all this boils down to money. It's like this Candice Scott, was she like. Yeah, that's the person who has no morals. Desperate for $4,000 for whatever reason. More than likely, she's just like, Ooh, I want that Gucci purse. I would like to think she's, like, not selling bodies for Gucci purse. I, you know what people have done way worse for a way less true. I would like to hope to think that maybe she was just ignorant in the simple fact that selling body parts is illegal. But if she stole them. She did. She did. Still not hers to sell. But I did look up in the Pennsylvania statute what abuse of a corpse is because I was kind of like, okay, abuse of a corpse and. Terrible, that's for sure. Yes. Corpses really don't care. You could cost them all day long. And they're just like, hmm. Whenever you're gone. But I was curious because I only heard the term abuse of a corpse and like reading stuff on Ted Bundy, Milburn, that kind of thing. So I'm like, define. Their abuse of a corpse was ooh, hey, baby, what's sad when some wine. Yeah, that's. Not. That's not what we're talking about here. So I was curious like what defines it and it's pretty broad is said abuse of a corpse is defined as no person except as authorized by law which would probably the mortuary I'm guessing by that comment, shall treat a human corpse in a way that the person knows what outrage reasonable family sensibilities are communities sensibilities. This is one of those laws where it's not really a law. It's like hate speech kind of thing. I mean, there's some definable hate speech, but again, just because someone is a freak and offended doesn't mean it should be illegal. I'm not defending any of their actions, but it makes me wonder like, okay, that's pretty broad, you know, family sensibilities or community sensibilities to some people, community sensibilities or family sensibilities. It may be okay to take the body and sell it and make it for something or dress it up and whatever or do whatever you want to do. But to other people, it's not shocking. So the laws, though, I agree that I think, you know, selling is wrong. I could see somebody defending that and using saying that it's too broad. If if I you know, it's a it's a fine line because where do you draw the line on freedom? Your relative died, the relative signs of paper saying, do whatever you want to. If they burn me, sell me, give me away, shoot me in the face. I don't care. Whatever you want to do if the person that the bones belong to signs an affidavit in front of a notarize and an attorney, why can't we? It's their stuff. But it did give examples in the state. I did find some examples. Some examples of abuse of a corpse is improperly disposing of a body. Steal or sell human organs. Don't just dump it off the cliff. Or get rid of. It in your neighbor's yard. Bury you know they may deserve it. Bury the body in the wrong plot. Really? Yeah. Somebody was doing that. We know they were. I mean, busy mortuaries. Well, yeah, you put 15 people in one hole, and you charge 15 people for 15 holes, but you only do one hole and you just put tombstones. No, I should have. It's like I could see that happening. Grandma Smith getting mixed up with somebody else's. Grandma Smith. But I can still see that happening when I was. Well, yeah, but. People are greedy, man. Well, you know, I do know that, like in the hospital, anybody that's got the same name, it's like, you know, name alert, name alert, this, that and the other. I don't know if they have that same sort of thing. Oh, hell no. With people with common last names. I mean, do you put like in these big old, you know, I guess refrigerators. All that back then was totally. Well, now I'm thinking like, do you like keep make sure that this Smith is not next to the other Smith's, you know, getting. Confused. And it's not like you can go ask him up in the drawer, say, hey, man, which one are you? Okay, cool. Thanks. And you don't want to ask your family members this is your. Smith because that would that would. Not go well. So I got three Smiths in here right now. I got some pictures. But can you just imagine the family members having to figure that out? Oh, my God. I never saw Grandma since she died. There's a picture. Bucket list out in Pennsylvania. All of that is a misdemeanor of the second degree, and it's two years in prison upon conviction. And up to. Up to. And that statute, 5510 it's a state statute in Pennsylvania. These guys parts from 40 people. Is that 40 charges? It would be because they're each one's a different class. You'd have to figure out where it those parts belong to. And, well, if they're labeled in the U.S. as bad. I don't think she put him in you have mess bag and she. Had to be it because when they take the stuff out they have to label it this who is it is and whatever. I think they only figured this out because someone got a hold of their Facebook messenger conversation. We've seen somebody squealed and somebody. Facebook go to squealed. I mean, they do monitor everything you do. True. I mean, it doesn't ever say who did it. It says, you know, anonymous tip. But if you think about it, though, they she did it once and then she got caught because their messenger conversation showed of a second shipment coming and they caught it. Wow. So twice now. Twice. So I don't I would like to think that she didn't literally I mean, come on. If you don't want to get. The person that should go to jail is is Jeremy. Dude. He accepted the transaction. They both should really get some salt. I know, but, I mean, she should. She should have felony. She should. It's easy. It's easy to put her in jail because she stole and received $4,000 for body parts, right? Yes. That's technically a felony, I think. Or is it 5000? It's a felony in Arkansas. I can't remember. They upped it. Well, you have to think about it this way. How do you charge it? Is it in Arkansas or is it Pennsylvania? I guess you charge it here in Arkansas. I don't know if. She stole she literally took it from the premises of the mortuary mortuary services. So that's where that crime occurred. The other crime is him accepting it, right? So that's it, really. They both should be punished. But then. But mail fraud. Oh, my God. They have this massive mail fraud charges if they really want to do it. I bet you we see that coming from the U.S. prosecutor because the feds are involved. The FBI is involved. I bet you a dollar we see in the future a a mail fraud charge and that can get you 5050 years. But what I could we I couldn't find this moment anywhere we I. Oh yeah we we found her but we can't be sure. So, you know, if I was her and knew this was Boston, I'll be remove myself from social media in a heartbeat because, you know. But I couldn't find anything on her. I couldn't anything. I went on the Internet of what she look like, where she worked. And obviously we know where she worked. But I mean, like anything about her was her charges where she arrested. I found one woman that had a couple of friends at people at UMass, but they none of none of her employment issues or anything like that. So it's I couldn't figure I you know, it could be her guessing it's a good lead, but it's not. They're not really covering her. They're covering. This. She should be the one that's covered, man. Maybe they're keeping it quiet. Maybe there's a big conspiracy going on. I would it would be that their mortuary services were like, now let's sell this stuff, make some money. That could be true. That could be true, though. I don't know. For a while. The mortuary place I couldn't find anything on the Internet that said anything anywhere. Facebook is I looked at all sorts of stuff. Twitter, I couldn't you. Amy made a comment. What did they say. And how they're deeply saddened by the situation. With the mortuary. People were like unavailable for content comment. But you think about it. I mean, their employee did this, their employee I did look on their Facebook website and to see if maybe she was on there and found a picture of some gentleman and stuff out there, you know, obviously advertising their business, but nothing specific but if I was the owner of that place, I'd be so embarrassed because this is like in CBS News, FOX News. Oh, it's everywhere. It's everywhere. And I guess I was interested in it because it's like, how did you mail this stuff? And this is Arkansas. We really don't want anything negative leave, you know, coming back on this state because we already have enough negative press on in. We live in northwest Arkansas, which is almost an entirely different world than the rest of the state. This is very true. And we're we're very modern. We're about four or five years behind the rest of the United States as far as big cities are concerned with how we do things, what we do, media, signage, restaurants, all that stuff. So we're a little bit behind. But that's just because there's only about 800,000 people living within to two and a half counties, basically. Yeah. And so, you know, the big corporations don't quite come out here as quickly as they do everything else. But you get down on the Little Rock, it's a big town. It's supposed to have everything and it doesn't. It's we've got more stuff up here than Little Rock does. But, you know, it's weird because the rest of the state is extremely poor. Yes, very poor. We have rice fields to the east. Well, to the southeast. Southeast, yeah. And it's just nothing but forestry. And in the hot springs is it's just hilly as hell. The Ozark Mountains up here between here and Mountain Home is just between here and Jonesboro. It's it's bad. You try to drive that there's, there's no direct link between Northwest Arkansas and Jonesboro. They were on the same latitude on the globe. Right. You think you could just drive over? But we can't because the hills are too steep and the rivers are too. It's just crazy. The the topography between North Fayetteville, Arkansas and Jonesboro. So we have to drive to Little Rock and then up to Jonesboro, basically making the trip twice to get there once. Yeah, but this state's great for people for fishing and hunting and outdoor camping activities and things like that. So excited. Well, it's beautiful here, though, you got to admit. It's beautiful, especially in the fall. I grew. Up here. It's just broccoli, nothing but broccoli. It's trees. Broccoli. It's just never ending broccoli. It's what it looks like to me. It's pretty trees. Not really. But get this, though, can you imagine the police department walking in after this tip that this guy is supposed to got body parts? Guy has to open that bucket. If it's open or if he even has a lid on it. You just walk it down to the basement, you know, and then he sees all these him going. To do with that. I mean, you just have to get a he's he had a human heart in there. Right? Heart, lungs, trachea, skin, liver. You know, he make lampshades out of the books, out of the skin and stuff and sell it like that. If people want that this again. Again and again. Again. I mean, he was a creepy dude. He's a whole other topic, guys. But no people. You mean if you have a book that if you're into that kind of stuff, is the book made from human skin? You know, I, I would be worried about is I would want records of where all this stuff comes from because what if one of them was murdered. Through I and think about that. And then now you've got the body parts and they say yeah you have a and you just happened to be in town the day they were murdered. You just have to have a set of DNA tested. I mean, it's it's a yeah, it's a liver sitting in a bucket. Unless you've got paperwork, I don't know how they can link it back a bottle county. I have not. Come on. It's a movie reference. I know, but I'm just like. Oh, and you got Roll with the Strokes, man. Hey. He kind of wrote these. He loves getting me, hasn't he? But think about it. This poor guy's doing his job, and he looks down is like, Oh, my God, there's like a liver in a bucket. I mean. It wasn't like Big John. I told her yesterday, I have to work this joke in. Okay, remember the joke? I think I might. Go ahead. This guy at the mortuary. Oh, right. Yeah. This dude comes in, he's dead, and he's like, interesting, interesting. And he goes. Goes to embalming, man. The guy's got, I guess, huge backlog. The biggest one he's ever seen is, like yells at the guy working with him. You can you can look at this and he's like, Holy crap, that's the biggest one I've ever seen. And he just takes a knife and chops it off, puts it in a jar. Formaldehyde. Wow. Puts a lid on it, takes it home and says, you won't believe what came through the mortuary tonight. He pulls it out, shows his wife and his wife goes, Oh, my God, big Bob's dead. Remember that? I remember that. But, you know, speaking of things like that, you know, supposedly divorce, you know, Rasputin had his little penis in a jar, supposedly, that was a myth around Russia. But I don't know, I. I know this whole thing sounds like something off of, like a criminal minds kind of show or Forensic Files or something. I mean, think about it. I mean, the guy, if you guys are gone online, see him. He's a very interesting look at it. He's got one half of his face tattooed. He's got implants in his head. And place in his head. Coming out. He's got those big rings in your ears. Yeah. He's got like piercings in his lip teach. There and he's got piercings and other places that the normal folks who are like kind of sensitive in some areas of their body would be like, no, that it's going to hurt. Too bad. Well, it says he's like a into that kind of thing like he would do that type of tattooing and border piercing and body art does that. Danny Yeah, he did. I couldn't find that's still a current thing or not. It's kind of. Got to be licensed for that. But he's got four grand to buy body parts. He's probably got money. Because he's tattoo and people love because that that's all you know that's all labor there's no there's there's no real investment in your ink and stuff for stuff like that. So when they charge $10,000 for a tattoo, you're just paying for their artwork. Yeah, I just I can't get over that. And like, what else is advertised on Messenger? I would like to go on there and find. No, you wouldn't. I probably would never leave the house, but I would be curious. Like what other weird stuff for people like. Us did on there, for sure? Well, that's kind of. Yeah, that I could. Message every chicken. Your phone book. Hey, I got 20 bucks. Let's see which one responds. No, that's not a good idea. You don't exactly go in a messenger, be like. Hey, I can't remember your other is your friend on Facebook? Yes, exactly. But I don't. Know. I wonder what his mom thinks of this going now, son, you really can't keep writing body pleasers. She's either in on it with him or and says, Oh, that's good, son, I really appreciate that. Or disown that, disown him like crazy. You really think about it as a mom, you have to be very supportive of this or don't ever talk to him again. I don't know. Is there a middle ground for that? I'm not a parent, so I haven't. I guess if Alex was to come up to me like, Hey, Mom, or if I found out that he bought, like, I don't know, a bunch of buckets of body parts, I would be like, okay, son, you're going to go to jail. Maybe. M.B. Illegal thing. I did say, though, in some of the sources, he bought some of the parts legally and then some of them illegally. So my question is, and I couldn't really I need to like try to find a head of research as to what makes them illegal and what makes them legal. Well, for one, if you have a skull that's been in the family for 150 years or longer, it's not at that point. It's decoration. It's still duff define as abuse of a corpse. If you think about it, I. Know by. The law. A normal person would think that it's got this skull. He's weird and he's going to sell it. Okay. It's been in the family for generations. I think normal person would be like, All right, go on. But to get a fresh one is different. Well, back in the day, people used to bury their people literally in their backyard in a wooden coffin, sort. Of saying. That was considered normal. But now, if you were to do that, it's considered abuse of a corpse. Well, you have to have the big you know, now you have to have they had to dig a giant hole. It's not just a six foot by four foot by six foot hole. Right. Because you bury people six feet underground so they don't come back up. So they don't float to the top. But it didn't work that way anymore. Now you've got to put a mausoleum basically a concrete yet to put up a big concrete tub in the ground, then put the casket in the ground, then put a concrete top on it and seal it, then bury it. Then that's what you have to do. Now. I'm sure lots of places don't do that. No. Every funeral I've been to in the past 15 years, that's the way it's done. But they won't let you do it otherwise. But but the Jewish belief for some, for me, everyone else has a different opinion on this is we don't want to be in a fancy coffin. We don't want to be in a coffin at all. Some of them are just buried in a shroud. Some of us are buried in a a box. And other people have big stories and funerals. It's is depends upon the person. I think they'll let you do that if you can prove the religion aspect of it. But if you're a Baptist now, you get you're getting it. You're getting a concrete box. Hmm. You know. Maybe that's another thing we could talk about is, you know, I'm curious about this. Maybe we can actually find a mortician to talk to you. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sort of one of these weirdos who tells I'm just people, these very nice people who I want to talk to my podcast, I'll call Weird afterwards. They would talk to us. I mean, I'm curious because, you know, back in the day before, people really understood medicine. They would bury them alive. They didn't understand coma, they didn't understand illness, whom. The bell tolls. And they used to have these fancy things where they would have bells upon the, you know, the lovely headstones and things like that or tubes for them to breathe or things like that. Yeah, they have a bell on a string and if you weren't dead, it was in the coffin. And they'd bring it in. And if you'd find that string you pinging and they come and dig it up soon as a kid. Can you imagine? I would be curious to know how many of that actually turned around. Because it was something we. Didn't understand about coma or. Well, they didn't know how to take blood pressure or even that you had a heartbeat. They didn't know they didn't know how to check for this. I mean, I. Think it seems pretty obvious to us, but. You can listen to that kind of stuff. But then again, you can still get a pretty faint heartbeat unless you know where you know where you're. Well, it's sort of somebody who's if you get sick enough, your heart can slow to nothing true. And it won't be very hard for your blood. Pressure's through the floor, but you're still alive. You're not going to hear that heart. But I don't know. I mean, bubble above. That's pretty you know, it's pretty obvious through stethoscope even if you put your ear to it. Edgar. Edgar Allan Poe. Yeah. That heart followed him around forever. Remember? Now, Poe, Tell-Tale Heart. It's been a while since I've read. Oh, okay. I like Poe. You know, I like. I like Poe. But, you know, I just can't get over that guy. Huh? He killed that guy. And so because he felt it wasn't he didn't feel guilty about it, but then he did. And all he ever heard was the heart beating bum bum. Bum po po was going to make a to scare the shit out of people. Well because it was really his subconscious. Yeah, exactly. It wasn't a ghost, it was his subconscious telling him what you did was bad until he finally, you know, did it. Did what he did. Poe was very creative. Except he drank himself to death. No, he used heroin and they used all that stuff. Well, that was. He was a heroin addict. Well, that was the thing back in the day to go. Oh yeah. More to really wouldn't heroin. It was morphine. He was a morphine addict. Well, they didn't understand that you can't put morphine and Coca-Cola. And they used to think morphing was a cure for any type of middle age. Woman in hysteria. Well, in cocaine also as well. Yeah, Freud loved it so much. You get hooked on it. They didn't understand. I mean, that morphine is great and all. But you do eventually get a tolerance and an addiction for it. So now we just have addictions and tolerance for other things. Now minds, you know, carnal knowledge, mostly. But yeah, of silly. So I would like to go see more about this museum that supposedly his paintings are in. What is the museum? Uh, we look at up here. I have a ton of notes, guys. I want a little notes on this thing. Yeah, she's been a very interested in it. I don't know why. I guess it's like in our back yard, and I'm like, What the heck? Well, there, it's just somebody being greedy and being selfish and narcissistic. And if they thought about it for it, not thinking about it, if they thought about it for 2 seconds, this woman would have never sold body parts guaranteed. But you have to also stay there and look at the other coin of yeah, this is considered probably inappropriate and it is. But if you want to play devil's advocate here, maybe to them in their mind, there's nothing wrong with having a skull on the kitchen counter or whatever. Well, no, I mean, goth. You remember the Goth? Yeah, I remember. Gosh, I. Got tons of friends through like that. What was the museum of what? It was the Museum of Death in New Orleans. New Orleans? And we should go there. That would be cool. Nola, Museum of Death in Hollywood. In New Orleans. But if you think about it, though, I mean, if you want to play devil's advocate here is passed on. You don't need your body to science. Your family relinquished your body. You're supposed to be cremated because that's a moral thing to do. But they don't allow you to take any pictures inside of it. But do your parts really belong to anybody anymore after that? I would say yes, but that's just me. But what are you going to do with all those body parts? I mean, really, if you're going to resell them, what are you going to do with them? Are you going to stick them in your jars or just have them around your house all day long? You remember that meme of the little young little girl running that they everybody had run in from Oprah for a long time. No little girl in the in the yellow raincoat, remember? I've sent it to you. She's got a bone, you know. Oh, I found this humerus around. This humerus. Yeah. That's what you do with those kind of things. But I mean, it shows on his website. He's got bags of teeth and femurs in different bones. And it says in there, I got some new medical bones to dig through. It's like. I don't understand why people have that fascination. It's because it's taboo and it's macabre and it's creepy and they like to, be on the fringes of society. And there's something wrong with being on the fringes of society as long as you're not hurting other people. But then my thought is, you've got to define that. We're going to need to find somebody to talk about it. We need to get somebody on there who understands, who has a definable aspect of what's going on, that they can explain to us that I kind of get it. I mean, I do kind of get it, but it's like one of those dark places that I don't want to go in my psyche because I've decided already that it's inappropriate and I don't want to be that person. I've already decided it. But I do understand exactly or not completely exactly, but for the most part, what they're thinking and what they're feeling. What they're doing is crap. It makes you feel dominant. It makes you feel like you have something on the other person. This is in general, when you talk to people, it makes you feel like you're you're super powerful. Like you have control over your life because you're alive. They're not kind of thing in there. But to get, you know, to each person is going to be different. It's never going to be it's you're never going to find a definitive outline of a personality type that likes to do this. But to play devil's advocate here, was he really hurting anybody? Well, yeah, he was making said he was make it up. He's making money. It's I don't I don't condone with this guy dead. Okay, guys. But I'm just trying to say it's okay to be different. It's okay to like that kind of stuff. It's okay to be to go to these wunderkammer type places and things like that and look at that website. But if you're not really hurting anybody, I guess as a society, are we afraid of that? People are going to get a big shovel and try to go out there and dig up grandma, make money? I mean, is that why this is such a taboo topic. That the problem that you have is, in my opinion, is that we're not considering at this point once somebody is dead, we're not considering that person that was alive. What was their opinion of this? Would they want this true? People probably don't think about that because they think they're not here. They no longer have a soul or claim to that. Well, some of these people don't believe the soul exists. So there's that. But let's not worry about that as much as the fact that these were humans. They had a choice in their life to eat bread or to eat rice. And for the most part, you get what I'm saying. They had a choice to get a driver's license. They had a choice to pick up a you know, pick up a pencil or use a pen. And I don't think it's fair to them to, after they're dead, to steal their shit and be exploited and basically exploiting them. Now, as that saying it shouldn't be done now they're saying that when you die, if you want some bone collector, goofball that likes this kind of weird stuff. I guess donate yourself to him. Yeah. Put it in. Get it. I think it should be something that as allowable and not illegal as long as the person says yes, you can have it. But it's doubly illegal if you go and grabbed somebody's bones who didn't give you permission. Make sense? Yeah. And you? We can now put a DNA profile with this. You know, all they have to do is take a DNA test, which I took one. You took one? We have. Our DNA profile available. Yeah. On ancestry. Yes. You can download that. I've got mine. All right. So and you stick that on your take your DNA profile, put it in your last will and testament, saying, I give this to this dude, and that way they can test the bones and find out if anybody, you know, they make the claim. Well, he's stealing shit. Then you could test the bones. No, it was in here. Here's their DNA profile. It's in the will. If you think about that. So you do that. Okay. Say, I don't want to donate my body to. Yeah, Mr. Jones down the road. Okay. And he I die and he goes to Mr. Jones down the road. Is it really okay to like I guess at that point you relinquish all rights and if he wants to stuff you and stick you on the mantle, I guess that's your choice. Yeah. It's if you're giving it to you, sell it to him. He gives you he gives you 5000 bucks ahead of time. That's just crazy to make one. I. I guess you have the right to do whatever you want. But we don't because it's actually not legal right now. You can't do that. You can't make that transaction at the moment. Can't sell anything. I mean. I think it should be legal. I think as long as it's controllable and trackable, it should be legal and there's no reason for it not to be. Well, I mean, I guess we have live donor situations and kidneys where you're voluntarily giving up your kidney, but you're still breathing. You can make that choice. But I mean, what do you want to do with all this stuff is what I don't get. Like, do you want to display, like, a whole human body in jars in your house? I guess if you're into that kind of stuff? Well, let's say you're an experimental doctor and you need. And you're also a doctor, right? Ah, that's. Osteo. Yeah. You're a D.O., a forget Meadows stands for medical doctor and a Doctorate of. Bones, basically. Well, it's a different type of M.D. They can still practice like anything, but they they have a different scope of how they learn a different facility. And then he would need those. He would need fresh ones. We'll go to a university with research. Well, I know, but what? I don't have a problem with a dude doing his own as long as he gets the materials through, you know, legal ways and non reprehensible ways, that's fine to me. Okay, but. What gets me is this this guy, you know, what does he do with the stuff he doesn't want to use? Does he just stick it out in the trash or does he dispose of it properly? You think about that being the trash man coming. Up to me. You guys have no way. To Mr. Pauly's house, and you're picking up the trash, and you see, like, a femur that's broken sticking out of his trash. I doubt he would give that femur up. He would, like, put it in a lampshade or something. I doubt the the well, you talk about the trash guy. Tom's probably talk about Jeremy. Jeremy Poly. He can't keep everything. I imagine he he said I got to sort through these medical bones. Yeah. You know, like, what do you do with the rest of it? Do use dispose of it properly. Do you bury it? What did he do? I couldn't find anything on what they're going to do with all this stuff. I Would imagine if is anything like human waste, they're going to probably use it for a trial. And after that, are you required to keep it for a amount of time? Yes. He appeals. Yeah, I would. You are. Now you're acquired for, I don't know, every 50. Years ago you didn't have to try. Every state's differently. For how long. They want to keep certain type of evidence. But what do you what do you do then? You preserve it in formaldehyde. These poor police departments got like all these jurors. Well, they got art cocaine for, like, 20 years. So what are you going to do with all this stuff? It piles up after a while. Yeah. What's he going to do with it? Is he, like, cremating it in the backyard? Like some beginning of a horror film? I think he just documented it and go on for the cops, but just take pictures of it. DNA samples, I mean, you get all the information you get out of it anyway. But the families. That's the problem that I have is that these people did not act. They did not say it was okay to hang my teeth around your neck on a necklace. But think about it. Poor Uams, who relies upon donations for the medical students. They're probably not going to have. A lot of people want to still donate to them. And this really affects how doctors learn because your first year of medical school, I think one of your first semesters is you're in the anatomy class where you're there with the cadaver. The whole semester. You've got to come. Up and look and learn. And the other way. To do it. Or is really no. You could do it virtually now I guess. It's virtual. Virtual reality. I mean, I don't know. I could talk to some of the people, the hospital, ask him how their first year of medical school was and if they feel like they could do it virtually. I mean, technology is amazing where you could do 3D models, but yeah, I've heard. Surgeons are going to be a surgeon. I don't think it really should matter that. Much, but I've listened to surgeons explain it. It's how something feels and how something looks. No, a surgeon definitely needs to cut somebody open who's not going to die. You know that cut something necrotic is something. Look, I mean, they're various, studious to the feel and touch and how everything. Else agree with that. They should be they should be cut on dead people. But all day long. But is this going to affect how our future physicians probably are able to be taught? Because I don't think it's going to be that big a deal because it'll go away in a little while and people will forget about it for the next catastrophe or the next profile thing and the next. The interesting thing, only people like you and I remember this stuff forever. We're the only ones that log it and remember it ten years later. Everybody else just moves on. I guess because I like to learn stuff and find stuff interesting. I remember every freaking thing and it's annoying. Now this is true. You do remember everything. It's sad in it. But it's this whole thing brings up a lot of morality of like the laws behind donating things to science is your. I think we should just once let it happen more. UMass turns it over to the mortuary. Do they have, like, some losses? Say they have to cremate it? Yes. I would think there is I think there's there's probably a law to allow you aims to cut on people who are dead that has to be cremated. Yeah. Because out of respect but what my thing is when I'm trying to look up this Candace person I was trying to see, okay, she works in the mortuary. What does she do? Is she like the receptionist? She like a. Cause. She had to have access to the coroner's assistant. I mean, what does she do to have such access to all these dark corners? Assistant Way back in the day, yes. But that's corner's assistance different than mortuary work. Go Well, I just helped basically like way organs and help with autopsies and things like that. It's a job to get through nursing school, but. Big Bob. Yeah. No. No. But anyway. That look on your face, face, we wonder. Rick. Bob There was none of that going on. Very professional what. Look at here. But it was kind of like I was watching and trying to see like, is she a coroner's assistant? Does you hold a license? Who is this girl? And I could find nothing on her. She obviously has no licensing because you would be able to find her. I don't know. We looked up on the nurses registry. Now she's not a nurse that I could find. That's curious. I was like, not that I want to harass this poor woman. I would just I would like to truly believe that. She might be a good person who has a bad situation and needed the money. That's why I'm going. To do it. Or she could be the opposite. And nine times out of ten, you know that if a person's a good person, they're not stealing nine times out of ten. Yeah. And if they're a bad person, they're just doing whatever they can. I'm just going to get me some cash and go down and get me a new app, a phone and a good tote bag. You know, I'm just saying, I'm not. I is that some of the biggest jerks I've ever met or people I went to school with in. And that's what they do sometimes. They just I don't care. I see it's money, man. Yeah. And it just makes me wonder, how long was she doing this and was she doing it? She did it before she did this one time before. So is it one of those desperation things where she thinks, hmm, you know. Or she just their iPad. They're done. With their minerals makeup. Or I don't know, maybe she's in charge of cremation and she's just like, you know, I really don't want to do this because cremation is not exactly a fun job and. Cool warm. In the warm. You know, we're wear shorts 20, you. Know, but, you know, maybe she's like, this really doesn't belong to anybody and doesn't really understand the law and just decided she was going to make a couple bucks. It's pretty selfish. It's extremely selfish to be that way. What does not want to do your job? No, that didn't belong to anybody. I agree that's not true. It does belong to somebody. Some people, though, don't hold morals. Or they haven't been taught ethics. True. I mean morals to understand that that belonged to a human. But maybe they're just so disassociated with the fact that all they're looking at is a liver. That that liver belonged to someone. Yeah, because we don't have to cut up room mate anymore. We buy it already. Cut up at the store. We don't have to. We're not just maybe she's I mean, who knows? And that type of job, I would imagine like it is sometimes in nursing. And don't get me wrong, you get kind of desensitized. Yeah well gets a cops end up being bad sometimes they get desensitized and they're like, look, you're going to do what I tell you and get because they're tired of having to deal with idiots all day. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. But I don't know. I just wanted to know more about her, to know if it was just something that was sinister or if it was something that she just legitimately. Felt she had no choice. Maybe. I mean, sometimes some people who steal and that's what they feel. It's like it's like if you've ever taken something you really value to the pawnshop and pandit and paid it back over time and got it back, you're just doing what you got to do, man. Yeah. You got to do what you do to survive. And I mean. Some people just pawn it and walk away because they just think of it as selling it. They don't deal with it no more. And that's not that's not a moral or ethical stance. But if you pay it off and go pick it back up, you know, I have a choice. I mean, times have been tough with the economy and things like that lately. But I mean, I'm not going to say that I would just, I guess, like to believe. I want to believe. I want to believe us all, like Mulder off The X-Files. But I don't know. I was just curious about her. So I'm not a stalker, but I would like to just ask her, Hey, why did you do it? You know? So you're going to close it. I got to close it. You got to close it. Oh, wow. Already in an hour. Yeah. Close. Right. 50 minutes. Oh, wow. An hour goes back. Hurts. Yes. Poor guy's next one hurting him all week. So he picks stuff up Friday. So we're open to whatever topics that you guys found interesting. We just decided to talk about this one because I thought it was interesting. So this is not only about things Paul wants to know. I want to know. She's like, Oh, that's so sweet. I feel like I'm with her mama. It's not just about me. You're doing this, too. I was just curious because this is in our backyard. And what happened and is this happened before? And there's so many unanswered questions that I'll be curious to see how this case evolves over the next couple of weeks and months. Well, he's just a dude thinking he's doing his job and really he should be able to do it, but there should be a legal way for him to do it instead of having to go on the black market. Because you know, he's done this before. Yeah, he did. He pulled the trigger so fast on her the first time that he's done this before. Well, I want to know is what defines it legally and illegally? I couldn't find it really any information that truly defined that. That's why there. Needs to be a certain set of laws that are ready to. Go. But Pennsylvania may have different laws in Arkansas. So, you know. I'm telling the feds are involved, too. That's because guess the FBI FBI's involved because it's an interstate. Interstate. Trust state. No interstate crime. Interstate crime in. Intrastate is I still from bill in the next over or the next county over because then it becomes a state problem because the counties can't enforce each other's laws. This is true. So the states can enforce each other's laws so it becomes an FBI problem. Remember the 1920s? All the bank robbers? Oh yeah. That's where the FBI had to come around because the guys rob the bank and then leave the state and there's nothing they could do about it. So they got the FBI and started telling people in jail. You got to keep all money safe. So guys out there who's listening, all our listeners, please email us and let us know what. You G at Paul G. Newton account. Yes. Email. Let us know what you're curious about, what you want to know, and maybe. I don't know. I'll see if I could get an interview set up with a mortician. I'm curious. I have a lot of questions. I'm sure we can do that. I know I've got a lot of friends who are morticians. I just curious questions. We're hopefully going to be able to talk to somebody about cowboys, right? Oh, Marsha, about you. We're going to talk about the old West myth versus reality. Though, could. Interesting. And her several other topics add up. Oh the Crescent Hotel. Yeah one of my to get a. Hold of that guy again. I have a story to tell you by the Crescent Hotel now that one about a personal guide. To save it for the pack I'll. Save it for the podcast owner. So you know it's kind of spooky along the same lines the guy was in that that was in the hotel. Yes. B hospital. He did creepy bad things. Uh, okay. More to follow on that, guys. Creepy, bad things. Okay. Sounds good to me. So, guys, thank you for listening so very. Nice with the girls. And girls. Two guys, girls, everybody, whatever. You define yourself. We love you and thank you. Send me an email Paul G apology Newton dot com and will be able to get the next thing set up for you. We enjoy doing this. It's just a screwing around mostly and I enjoy hanging out with Andrea. Thank you. I enjoy hanging out with you. Oh. Nobody's going to listen if we get all mushy. This is true. Yeah, well, they might. I mean, you never know. People have weird ringing the by body parts. Yeah. Anyway, so I guess we'll see you later. Talk to you later. This is things I want to know. And in this case, things and you know, and if we thought about calling this guy at the jail and see if we can get him on the. Phone, I tried, but they won't let me call. Oh, let me talk to him. That'd be cool. I tried. We'd had to pay for the phone call, though. That's like 20 bucks. I tried. Let me talk to him. Oh, well, when did you try doing that? When you were waiting to go inside. One of the places I sit in the car, I was trying to get a hold of the jail, and they said that he's no longer accepting calls unless you're on his phone list. And I was like, Can I get on his phone list? And they hung up on me. I just want to talk to him. Well, you know, he's got Fox, NBC. He's probably had enough people book him. So he's going to sell the story. You know, he's going to sell the story to somebody. His lawyer probably told him not to talk to anybody because anything that's recorded and stuff that can be used in his court case. So I get it. I totally get it. But hopefully we can still keep trying and maybe talk to him. That'll be cool. All right. I guess we will talk later, right? Yes. Bye, guys. Bye.