Becoming a Shaman *Dale Allen-Rowse*

Mysticism, other worlds, the planes of existence. Most of us know only one existence, and that's what's in front of us and what has happened. But are there more? Do we need to understand these things? Are they important? Are they even real today? We talked to Dale Alan Rouse, who is a master shaman.

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Cock Rings and Stolen Vespas: Detective Vic Ferrari

We've all seen it on tv. We've all seen it in the movies we've watched as the detectives go and find the bad guy, and they do it in less than 45 minutes. On top of that, we've all seen how cooperative everyone is and how easy it is to put someone in jail. But is it really, is that the way it works or is that just bullshit?

Today we have Vic Ferrari, a 20-year veteran of the new york City Police Department, as a detective who has seen everything from car thefts to murder and anything in between.

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Criminal Psychologist Linda Sage

What makes a killer? Is it nature or nurture? Not until Jack The Ripper and HH Holmes did the public even recognize the proclivity to kill in mass. 

We know it must have been a psychological need to kill throughout history but only in modern times has the human race begun to study and tear apart psychology.

 Our questions today are:  does culture and nurture change how people kill and more?

 Linda Sage is an expert on the psychology of serial killers and joins us today.

The Real NYPD: Robert

We've all seen the Detective shows on T.V. that center around N.Y.C.  Andrea, and I want to know just how realistic these shows are. So we are talking with the author of several N.Y.C. crime novels, a forty-year veteran of the N.Y.C. police department, and M.T.A. Mr. Robert Jestic.

We talk about how crime prevention improved over the past forty years and some techniques implemented to get control of the most heinous and disturbing decades for N.Y.C.

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The Monster Withing: Get out of your head with Brian Sachetta

Anxiety. We all have experienced it. Most people endure this emotion easily. Starting a new job, moving to a new city. The speed dating we signed up for, or the pressures of starting a family. We ask ourselves what will happen and worry about outcomes because the future is indeterminate and can change on a whim because of seemingly innocent and benign events. But for some of us, anxiety is a dark emotionless beast that looms around the corner, waiting to tear us apart. His pervasiveness and tenacity are never-ending, screaming the worst-case scenarios at us and never letting a positive thought boil to the surface. For those who have never experienced an attack of anxiety, this punishing will never know the debilitating and debilitating effect that it has on life today.

We talked to a man who has experienced this monster up close and wants to share his story with the world so others can learn to escape the tyranny of its grip. Brian Sachetta is an expert on anxiety and is the author of the Get Out of Your Head Book series.

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The Bone Collector: "Rocky" Digati

Humans collect all sorts of interesting things. Some love to decorate their houses and homes with dairy cows, green frogs, and Marvel characters. All these things are considered normal and benign, for the most part.

Some of us, however, enjoy collecting more obscure items. Items that may be considered taboo to many. Or even morose and possibly diabolical and malignant. 

True crime authors and amateur sleuths consider these items ubiquitous with sinister meaning and serial killers, yet that is only the few and not the majority of the reasons behind the drive to gather and display these more macabre and eclectic items. 

 Do they represent the obsession with death, or could they be more about celebrating life? 

 In this episode of Things I want to Know we delve deep into the world of the eccentric and the strange as we ask the questions everyone wants to know.

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Ghost In The Microwave - A witches life in the modern age

Everyone has wished for something. From a new puppy as a pre-teen to fulfilling the lifelong dream of meeting the right person or hitting the lottery. Some of us pray, some of us work hard, and some of us just sit back, eat Cheetos, and wish. You know who you are. 

But there are some people that take matters into their own hands and look to get ahead and win using anything they can.

 Not all are nefarious; in fact, the ones we see on TV are as far away from the real thing as anyone could get. Most quietly practice their ancient and sometimes more modern art in the solace of their home, never bragging.

 Much is unknown in popular culture and modern lore about what and how a real WITCH practices this ancient art. So tonight, we are asking those questions and more…

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Witching Hour

[00:00:00] Paul G Newton: Everyone has wished for something. From a new puppy as a preteen to fulfilling the lifelong dream of meeting the right person or hitting the lottery. Some of us pray, some of us work hard and some of us just sit back, eat Cheetos and wish you know who you are, but there are some people that take matters into their own hands and look to get.

[00:00:42] Paul G Newton: And win using anything they can now, not all of them are nefarious. In fact, the ones we see on TV are as far away from the real thing, as anyone could get most quietly practiced are ancient and sometimes more modern [00:01:00] art in the solace of their own home. Never bragging much is unknown in popular culture and modern lore about what and how a real witch practices, their ancient art.

[00:01:13] Paul G Newton: So tonight we are asking those questions. And more.

[00:01:27] Andrea Smith: So this is Andrea and I've got lots and lots of questions that have been followed up through my actually one of my children had listened to the very first podcast pod that Paul did and book te

[00:01:40] Stephanie: cards, the

[00:01:41] Andrea Smith: te card. Yes. And so she's 13 and had lots of questions. And so I'm reaching out to the first person that Paul interviewed.

[00:01:51] Andrea Smith: So why don't you stiff Vaughn introduce your, so stuff.

[00:01:55] Stephanie: Avon, introduce yourself. My voice is

[00:01:57] Paul G Newton: trashed. So that's why I'm like, [00:02:00]

[00:02:02] Andrea Smith: so I really appreciate you being open to coming on and let me rattle off some questions and probably answer some more questions. I have a child that's. Very open. I've raised all my children to be open and ask questions for things they don't understand.

[00:02:18] Andrea Smith: And especially religion to try to learn about it, to be more open and understanding how other people think and feel. So that could be more open minded when they in the world. And so when she first listened to it, she had a ton of questions, but she was a little shy to come on herself. She doesn't, I don't know she's what can I say, 13 and doesn't wanna be on the air.

[00:02:37] Andrea Smith: So I thought I would ask for her. So my first question that she was extremely curious about that she wanted to know if you had insight on was oui boards. Is there any safe way to play with them?

[00:02:50] Stephanie: Okay. A protection spell prayer. I think a lot of Christians who do you know, there are a [00:03:00] lot of witches who are Christians.

[00:03:01] Stephanie: They will say the Lord's prayer before they read terror, before they do the oui board before they do whatever I people have got to realize about the oui board is that it's a tool. There's nothing in the board that's that where the guests are like, ah, there's a board, let's go what you're doing it is a tool and you're putting your energy into that tool and you're trying to attract the entities that may be around you.

[00:03:35] Stephanie: Okay. who are willing to speak to you?

[00:03:38] Andrea Smith: Okay. So this is just my past experience. I was explaining this to Paul earlier that growing up, obviously my mother's side of the family was high core Baptist and my grandmother was a lovely kind. Open minded, just extremely wonderful woman. And we were having a sleepover, had a bunch of friends over my parents, went [00:04:00] out on a date night and it was just her watching us.

[00:04:01] Andrea Smith: And we were, was like 12 of us girls. And one of the girls brought over Ji board and I never really messed with it before. And we're playing within giggling and having fun of my grandmother walks in and she just never, ever cusses or gets mad

[00:04:16] Stephanie: or anything. What the fuck are

[00:04:17] Paul G Newton: you girls doing?

[00:04:18] Stephanie: Is that what, what she did?

[00:04:19] Stephanie: Kind

[00:04:19] Andrea Smith: of something like that. She picks up the oui board and throws it cuz it's around the holiday time it's around my birthday and throws it in the fire and we're all like, oh wow. Like horrified. We're just staring at.

[00:04:33] Stephanie: You had to buy a new one. I had to explain to these kids' parents that my grandmother was not happy by the oui board and I had to replace it and it was embarrassing, but she sat out and like basically told me that messing with that is bad.

[00:04:49] Andrea Smith: You don't know what you're going to do. You have no idea what you're going to conjure or bring in the house. You don't mess with that. And she's actually right, because there is the right way in the wrong way [00:05:00] to use the weed you

[00:05:00] Andrea Smith: board. I don't think HaBO or whoever makes it exactly puts the directions on the right way or the wrong way to do that.

[00:05:06] Andrea Smith: No, then they

[00:05:07] Stephanie: don't. No, they don't. And back then when they did it it was a game, it was a parlor trick or so they thought was, they didn't realize. We humans. And you've probably heard this there's a study that spin out that we actually do exchange energy with each other.

[00:05:24] Stephanie: And I try to

[00:05:27] Paul G Newton: exchange energy with Andrea, whatever I possibly

[00:05:30] Stephanie: can. Oh my God. Stop. oh, you

[00:05:33] Paul G Newton: mean? Sorry.

[00:05:34] Stephanie: Oh my gosh.

[00:05:36] Andrea Smith: He is gotta put something in there, but oh yeah. I know. I've always told my kids, I don't want that stuff in the house because you don't know what you're doing and I don't know what I'm doing.

[00:05:45] Andrea Smith: And I don't know if it's real or not, so we're not gonna have it in the house, but and

[00:05:49] Stephanie: you've got to, and you've got to search it out, ask the questions and a lot of witches won't deal with them because they don't feel they're strong enough. When they pass a protection [00:06:00] spell or or they do their prayers, they don't feel they're strong enough to continue that energy because you have to hold that intent and keep that in intent, going.

[00:06:10] Stephanie: Through the duration of the use of the oui board. I think

[00:06:14] Andrea Smith: for my kid, she very much wants to talk to my father. Who's passed away and she's always asked me if we get a oui board and we know what we're doing. Can we talk to grandpa? And I'm like, I can't answer that. And I said, and I would be afraid to even try that, but she misses my father.

[00:06:34] Andrea Smith: And I think she's just reaching out to want to be able to talk to him again, like anyone who's still getting used to someone who's passed and he's been passed away for several years, but she very much had fond memories of him. So I think she's just curious because it 13, 12, a little sleepover games and stuff like that.

[00:06:55] Andrea Smith: Someone brings over oui board. She just, and I've taught [00:07:00] them. You don't mess with this kind of stuff, cuz it could be real or not. Let's not chance it let's not bring it in the house. . She was just curious if there was a way that she could like mess around and talk to somebody and learn some stuff and it's not gonna necessarily be like bad.

[00:07:15] Stephanie: Sure. You wanna talk to a medium? Okay. You talked to the medium

[00:07:19] Paul G Newton: last week.

[00:07:21] Stephanie: Oh gosh.

[00:07:21] Paul G Newton: And I'm sure he meant well, but it was interesting.

[00:07:24] Andrea Smith: I have 27

[00:07:26] Stephanie: lives and I have 30.

[00:07:27] Paul G Newton: What? 7

[00:07:28] Stephanie: 34. Yeah. He's I need to talk to, I need to listen to that one.

[00:07:33] Paul G Newton: He said I had time of my 34th life because I can't get it.

[00:07:36] Stephanie: Yeah. That's what he said. That's not what it is. Each lifetime has a different lesson.

[00:07:42] Paul G Newton: I don't know. He said we gotta learn to be good people or we gotta repeat it. We're destined to repeat.

[00:07:47] Andrea Smith: And he made it seem like Paul was having issues.

[00:07:49] Stephanie: If you take a look at everybody's life, people all go through something different.

[00:07:54] Stephanie: I like my women too much. Yeah. Oh gosh. Um, Like I lost I lost my [00:08:00] grandmother when she, when I was 11, I lost my father when I was 22. I lost my first husband when I was 27. So I I went through the gamut there pretty early on in life as to losing people through death and not everybody's done that some of my friends they've been married and divorced five different times and their first husband's still kicking around, yeah. Not that they talk to 'em a whole lot, but they are. So it's everybody has got to learn. How to deal with these type of things. Go

[00:08:41] Stephanie: ahead. Yeah, and I honestly, I haven't gotten the I think with the death of my mother, believe it or not that happened last year. I was actually able to of use those, some of the things that I had learned [00:09:00] from the three original death that really affected my life and I put those into place.

[00:09:05] Stephanie: So it was a little bit easier. Still rough, still hard, still cried a lot. But it was a little bit easier, so Melissa's other question was cuz on the lines of this is do you have the ability to talk to someone who's passed and if so, is that not a common thing for someone who has.

[00:09:24] Andrea Smith: And is I, this is what her exact words were, which talents I thought that was cute. How she I'm sure it was

[00:09:32] Stephanie: witch

[00:09:32] Paul G Newton: talents or bitch

[00:09:33] Stephanie: talents, witch talents. I like that. I like that. Stephanie has

[00:09:37] Paul G Newton: a lot of bitch talents

[00:09:38] Stephanie: too. Nah, be nice. No, yes, I do. See, I told you, she

[00:09:42] Andrea Smith: I thought that was cute how she worded that.

[00:09:45] Andrea Smith: I was like, okay, that's very sweet and kind. She, I

[00:09:49] Stephanie: like that witch talents. I like that. I really do. Okay. So we called them declares. Okay. love E Claires. Buoyance Claire audience, [00:10:00] Claire. Let me see if I can't pull up the the ones with the cream in the middle. Those are

[00:10:06] Stephanie: so good.

[00:10:07] Stephanie: No, those are E Claires, not the Claires. A little bit different. I think he just

[00:10:13] Andrea Smith: loves messing with you.

[00:10:14] Stephanie: Yeah. that's okay. I'll tell him the fuck off here in a little bit.

[00:10:22] Stephanie: I think you just did. I think I did. Yeah.

[00:10:29] Stephanie: let's see. Oh, okay. Four players of intuition. Five, you saw the audience knows

[00:10:33] Paul G Newton: I'm having dinner and drinking vodka. because

[00:10:36] Stephanie: I'm sick. Yeah. He's not feeling

[00:10:39] Andrea Smith: so hot.

[00:10:40] Stephanie: Yeah. Yeah. I under I get that. So let's talk about the Claires real quick. He Claires.

[00:10:49] Paul G Newton: Um, No, that's right. Naughty clicks. Sorry, stop

[00:10:53] Andrea Smith: talking about pastry.

[00:10:54] Andrea Smith: I can't have it. You're hungry.

[00:10:55] Stephanie: So you have okay. I'm looking for the definitions. I never can [00:11:00] remember the definitions. So there's Claire fascinating radio

[00:11:04] Andrea Smith: right now. So I guess I should put a disclaimer out here for everybody. Some of these questions you have to understand for the audience is coming from someone who's young and for someone. I allow to ask openly, she's not meeting any type of insult to anyone. So if anyone out there is getting upset by some of the questions, she's just, we come at this at really Eddie wanting to

[00:11:27] Stephanie: learn.

[00:11:28] Paul G Newton: It's tough for me because Stephanie knows how skeptical, super skeptical I am about most of this stuff. So it's always hard for me to talk about this and I try to be open about it, but it's like

[00:11:40] Andrea Smith: really well, for me, I'm not really good at being 100% politically, correct. I just just say what I think.

[00:11:46] Andrea Smith: And the best of intentions and being honest and even admit my ignorance, but it doesn't always come across very perfect for the me too movement. I think a lot of her question stems from cuz she sees these things about [00:12:00] People able to talk to the dead and she's listened to a lot of stuff from the Victorian era where some of this stuff was a hoax for lack of a better term.

[00:12:11] Andrea Smith: Some of it was

[00:12:12] Stephanie: a hoax. The Fox sisters were completely fake.

[00:12:15] Andrea Smith: The Fox sisters. She's taken a huge interest in kind of this stuff, cuz she's very curious. And so she's kinda but mom, the Fox sisters were founded to be wrong with those other people that they

[00:12:27] Paul G Newton: were faking the whole time they had rock on a string.

[00:12:30] Andrea Smith: But then again, my son has some ability to see things sometimes that. Are not necessarily the

[00:12:38] Paul G Newton: Fox sisters set off the entire movement of the of that in the late 18 hundreds, early 19 hundreds. Yeah. It was the Fox sisters and they was all fake

[00:12:50] Stephanie: during the 18 hundreds you had Astair Carley.

[00:12:53] Stephanie: Yes. And he was a Clair, the Sherlock Holmes

[00:12:59] Paul G Newton: guy

[00:12:59] Stephanie: [00:13:00] too. He was a medium, what's his name? Sherlock Holmes. What was his name? The guy who wrote it. Oh,

[00:13:06] Stephanie: Alice, just Crawley. That

[00:13:08] Paul G Newton: was not the guy who wrote Sherlock Holmes.

[00:13:11] Stephanie: Oh

[00:13:11] Andrea Smith: gosh. I can't remember

[00:13:13] Stephanie: Sir.

[00:13:13] Paul G Newton: Arthur cord and Doyle, sir. Arthur.

[00:13:16] Paul G Newton: Yeah. Cohen Doyle was really into it and Adini was like, it's not real. And he's it is real. And they fought about it all the time.

[00:13:25] Stephanie: It's kind interesting. And you do have people who who say, oh, I'm Clara, William I'm blah, blah, blah. I can. And then they start to try to read you and they're not they're, I don't know who the hell they're talking about.

[00:13:41] Stephanie: So how can you tell who's real and who's not

[00:13:44] Andrea Smith: Cuz there's

[00:13:48] Stephanie: lots when, okay. So when, okay, so let's say you go you go to a medium, right? Okay. And or Clare point whatever. [00:14:00] And you ask them I I'm here. I want some advice. I do wanna talk to some of my ancestors, blah, blah. First of all, you don't tell them who you just a

[00:14:13] Andrea Smith: sense.

[00:14:14] Andrea Smith: You're pretty generic.

[00:14:16] Stephanie: Don't tell you want to know. Okay. Okay. Okay. And then they should be able to, if they are real, they should be able to say, okay, let me hold your hand. Or did you bring me an object of the person you want to connect with? Okay. Okay. And make sure that object does not have a name or picture or whatever.

[00:14:42] Stephanie: Okay. Makes sense. And you give that to them. Okay. And they should be able to read the energy. They should be able to feel the energy that helps them connect with the person who has passed on so to places and they

[00:14:56] Andrea Smith: should be able, does places [00:15:00] have energy? Does like more than just objects have energy?

[00:15:04] Stephanie: Oh yeah.

[00:15:05] Stephanie: You have places that have energy for sure. You've heard of Lee lines, right? Lee lay lines, Lee lines, lay lines lay lines

[00:15:15] Paul G Newton: are lay lines, latitude and longitude kind of stuff.

[00:15:18] Stephanie: No, they, I kind sorry, but not really. They intersect at certain points in the longitude and latitude scale.

[00:15:27] Stephanie: Yeah. Oh, okay.

[00:15:28] Andrea Smith: Okay. Map. I have heard of some of this on some stuff we've listened to.

[00:15:33] Stephanie: You feel like stone hinge. Yes. Is one, one place. If you go, if you look at some of the rooms or go to some of the rooms outside of Athens in Greece or even here in the United States and you have ancient cultures who really thrived or whatever, you'll find that they actually were living close or very near to a lay line.

[00:15:57] Andrea Smith: Is there like some map you can see where the lay lines [00:16:00] are or is it just Yeah, actually you can Google that really. And they will show. Yeah. And they will show you

[00:16:05] Andrea Smith: where they are. So who like figures this out as just like some lay land, lay line expert guy that goes out there and be like, I'm gonna make

[00:16:11] Stephanie: me a map, this name.

[00:16:13] Stephanie: I think I think it's just happened over the years okay. So like my uncles were water witches, and those are people who go out here with little twigs Ash twigs or sticks or whatever the vis or rods or whatever.

[00:16:28] Andrea Smith: Oh, is it the rods? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My grandmother was telling me something about that, that she swore by it cuz something, her childhood figuring out where some water's at on some property out here in PI Ridge and somebody came out and was able to figure it out and they figured out water.

[00:16:44] Stephanie: So yeah. And that's where, that's how they used to determine where to put their all of my great uncles could do this. Which is really fascinating to me. I never could do it. I don't know what the deal was now. Finally, I asked my great aunt one day, I said, can you [00:17:00] do that? She said she said, no, I can't.

[00:17:02] Stephanie: She said, none of the women in our family can do that. She says, but we do other things.

[00:17:07] Andrea Smith: So it makes me wonder, I said, if I had to have my well drill, just to have somebody out there with that kind of thing versus paying the people that drill

[00:17:14] Stephanie: my Yeah. Rather do some real survey and

[00:17:17] Andrea Smith: I'm just

[00:17:18] Stephanie: saying they're still going survey you still going to do test drilling.

[00:17:25] Stephanie: Yeah. Period. Yeah. I'm just, but you get water, you get a real, you get one of those and you can go to any co-op here in Northwest Arkansas and talk to the good old boys over there and you'll ask them who, water witches. And they'll be able to tell you, they'll give you a list. And these are people who were tried true and tested.

[00:17:47] Stephanie: I thought

[00:17:48] Paul G Newton: water witches were like people who could swim under water for an extended period of time before we had scuba gear.

[00:17:54] Stephanie: No. So those are just people who practice a lot. so [00:18:00]

[00:18:00] Andrea Smith: these people that are like water witches, did they like, is this a talent? That's just acquired? Do they develop it or do they learn it?

[00:18:08] Andrea Smith: Is it just one of those things?

[00:18:09] Stephanie: I think a lot of people are just born with it. If you look at witchcraft, you

[00:18:14] Paul G Newton: the me too movement, just say it.

[00:18:16] Stephanie: If you look at telepathy, pre cognition, mediumship, tele nieces Porsche deportation clear audience Claire sentient you'll find that this tends to run in families.

[00:18:32] Stephanie: One person may have it a little bit more than others. See

[00:18:35] Paul G Newton: I think it's true because if you measure the amount, when you go back to my father and my grandfather and you measure the amount of as ishness, it does run in families. Oh my

[00:18:47] Stephanie: gosh. What?

[00:18:49] Paul G Newton: It's a talent.

[00:18:51] Stephanie: Okay.

[00:18:52] Andrea Smith: I got a question. Okay. Okay. When my son was little squirrel he would be able to tell me things.

[00:18:59] Andrea Smith: And I would just [00:19:00] ignore him about certain things he was seeing, cuz granted he's five, six, everybody sees like things and has imaginary friends or whatnot. And then my father passed away when he was oh, elementary school and took care of the funeral, came back a couple weeks later, my son came up to me and he told me the exact conversation I had the last time I saw my dad the exact thing.

[00:19:30] Andrea Smith: Okay. Word for word. Him. It's just my father and I in the room. There was nobody else. The kids were actually visiting with their father at that time. So it was only my father and I in the house. And he said the conversation word for word. And I looked at my son and the hair in the back of my neck was like standing up.

[00:19:47] Andrea Smith: And I said, how do you know that conversation? He goes, grandpa told me, he goes, I see grandpa everywhere. I was like, who else do you see? I'm thinking he's dealing with the death. He's, I'm trying to [00:20:00] play it off because I don't want to believe that my son can remember the conversation that would've had, that only two him.

[00:20:06] Andrea Smith: And I would only know you say it runs in families. So yes. How do you know where the source comes from? Because he doesn't talk about it now. He's 17. Every now and then I ask him, I was like, Hey, do you have any, I'm trying to be open and let them be themselves and not try to be judgemental or try.

[00:20:25] Andrea Smith: Maybe he's

[00:20:26] Stephanie: Okay. So when you have a child, very young telling you this type thing. And I don't know if he's ever had a conversation with someone you said, oh, this doesn't happen. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Probably not. Children can shut it down. Okay. That doesn't mean that they, that doesn't mean they lost it.

[00:20:48] Stephanie: It doesn't mean they've shut it down. Cause when we, we

[00:20:50] Andrea Smith: took a tour, the Crescent hotel in Eureka Springs, which anybody who's around here knows it's haunted when he took oh yeah. When he took the tour, he couldn't [00:21:00] finish the tour. He got halfway through the tour, ran outside and threw up everywhere. Yep. And he's and he's in, first

[00:21:08] Stephanie: of all, he's an impact.

[00:21:09] Stephanie: He goes back. Impact feels. Yes, feelings of other people's spirits, whatever. And when those energies become too much first anxiety hit headaches, hit stomachs, hit it is a complete I've had this happen to me. You want for me, I want to go to my bed, put my head under the pillow and go to sleep.

[00:21:33] Stephanie: Cause I asked him, I was like,

[00:21:35] Andrea Smith: be very overwhelming. Yeah. Cause I said, are you okay? Cuz I, I was like, what is going on? He's throwing up everywhere. And I'm trying to everyone's looking at me like, oh, was it P soup? No, it was not P soup, but it was horrifying to MIG. Cause I'm thinking he's embarrassed.

[00:21:50] Andrea Smith: I'm thinking, everyone's thinking your kid sick. Why the hell did you bring him here? And he's mom, I can't do this. And I was. Are you alright? He goes, I can't do this. I was like, okay, we'll sit here and [00:22:00] let everybody else finish the tour. And they finish the tour. And I was like, are you, I, are you all right?

[00:22:05] Andrea Smith: And he's I just, I see everybody. I see everything. I see everybody talking to me and I try, I don't see it. And I don't want to be one of those parents. That's I guess, an absolute bitch and denies it and is rude. I try to be open minded and to the point where if my kids are having issues, they can come to me with anything.

[00:22:26] Andrea Smith: Even if they're seeing, I don't know, a giant gummy bear in the corner of the room.

[00:22:30] Stephanie: Purple dildo. I hope not. Do you ? Yeah, that would be, I'd hate to see it after a

[00:22:37] Andrea Smith: lot. I would, it's 40 feet long who has room for that. I don't even wanna go there with my kids. I'll be like, okay let's change the subject Here's the deal.

[00:22:49] Stephanie: And so he still has his powers very much. So the problem is he hasn't had any training. He hasn't had any training to put up the barriers to keep some of that [00:23:00] energy from coming at him at 150 miles an hour.

[00:23:04] Andrea Smith: Cause okay. Yeah. Makes sense. Cuz I've asked him as he's gotten older, I was like, are you okay with that?

[00:23:10] Andrea Smith: And he's mom, I have to shut it off. He goes, I just have to like, not talk to them. He goes, I just don't know what to make of it. He goes, I think I'm crazy. I was like, you're not crazy. No, he's not. No,

[00:23:21] Stephanie: he is not crazy

[00:23:22] Andrea Smith: at all. All I said to him was I don't see it, but I believe there's things in this world that maybe we're just not all of us are meant to know or see.

[00:23:32] Andrea Smith: So how do

[00:23:32] Stephanie: you

[00:23:33] Paul G Newton: explain somebody? Stephanie you've told me for a long time. And you know that when I walk into a room, it clears out if there was a spirit that somebody was seeing. When I walk into that room, there's nothing

[00:23:47] Andrea Smith: they're probably afraid

[00:23:47] Paul G Newton: of you. Yes. Everybody's afraid of Paul of course.

[00:23:51] Stephanie: I don't know. I We would actually have to have you walk in, in a very busy room with [00:24:00] people and with ghost or entities have a medium there, or a clairvoyant there, or someone who has clairvoyance, Claire audience Claire mediumship, whatever, and somebody with those abilities.

[00:24:18] Stephanie: Yeah. And they can tell you if the ghost have left or not.

[00:24:21] Andrea Smith: Let's try that with my house.

[00:24:23] Stephanie: They're never there when I'm

[00:24:24] Andrea Smith: there. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. I call my kids and I laugh

[00:24:27] Stephanie: and call.

[00:24:27] Paul G Newton: I think your kids just take your shit and you call it ghosts in the microwave, but now they just, they're just stealing your shit.

[00:24:37] Andrea Smith: Hey, it's a real story here. 500 cats. It's not 500

[00:24:41] Stephanie: cats. Okay. 485 cows. Hear this story. Hu. Paul dam. It

[00:24:46] Andrea Smith: okay. The goes to the microwave. I've had this microwave for a long time. I hate microwaves. And so it was unplugged, and it starts turning on. Okay. I got freaked out because it [00:25:00] is not plugged in and it is on.

[00:25:03] Andrea Smith: so well, okay.

[00:25:05] Stephanie: So you've got someone trying to get your attention,

[00:25:07] Andrea Smith: so I don't know what to think of it. I thought maybe I'll plug it in and maybe it'll shut off. I don't know. I don't know what to do. I, it's not like there's instruction books, so I plug it in. Have you ever had your lights?

[00:25:17] Stephanie: Have you ever had your lights flicker?

[00:25:19] Stephanie: Oh, hell all the time. Repeat. Yeah. But you're in

[00:25:21] Paul G Newton: electricity as crap to your house. And that electrical system is quite bad, but the

[00:25:28] Andrea Smith: thing was not plugged in. I know,

[00:25:30] Paul G Newton: but your lights flickering could just be because it's Tuesday.

[00:25:35] Stephanie: That's your place? Actually, Paul,

[00:25:37] Paul G Newton: her brother is an electrician and he verified

[00:25:40] Stephanie: that some of the wirings not the great,

[00:25:41] Andrea Smith: most of the wiring is substandard in the plugins.

[00:25:44] Andrea Smith: That's why.

[00:25:45] Stephanie: Okay. It does not. That doesn't matter if it was substandard and it wasn't gonna work. The damn lights wouldn't come on,

[00:25:51] Andrea Smith: but why would you explain the microwave? Like turning on without it being plugged in? So I plug it in thinking, I'll turn it off thinking I'm I don't know what I'm doing. I [00:26:00] don't know what to do in this situation.

[00:26:01] Andrea Smith: It won't shut off. I'm unplugging it, plugging it back in. It's still turning on. And the thing is still spinning around. I'm hitting the buttons everywhere we take at

[00:26:09] Stephanie: base wanting your

[00:26:10] Andrea Smith: attention. We take the microwave and we hurdle it outside because I don't know what else to do. and we look at each other and we're all pet, like just dumbfounded and we don't really talk about it.

[00:26:24] Andrea Smith: But the crazy thing is after that small things around the house started being misplaced. and it sounds crazy, but I was making my daughter's birthday cake and she wanted blue frosting and I had white frosting and I was gonna use the blue food dye and I was gonna make it blue, just like she wanted, had it up on the counter.

[00:26:46] Andrea Smith: It was there, standing there. And the next day it's gone and I can't find it anywhere in the house. And we turned the kitchen and everything upside down looking for this, cuz I thought I was losing my mind. Pluto ate it. [00:27:00] No Pluto did not eat it. Pluto's my dog. He eats

[00:27:03] Stephanie: everything well, he didn't eat this.

[00:27:04] Stephanie: All right. So

[00:27:05] Andrea Smith: green poop, two weeks later, the dye that I was missing is sitting on the counter, right where I left it and I seriously thought I was losing my mind. Things have disappeared. Like my glasses had a set of glasses, always put 'em on a bedside table before I go to bed. They were gone for two years.

[00:27:26] Andrea Smith: Wow. And so we found them all of a sudden. Underneath something. Now that could, might be easily explained cats possibly, or the dog is carrying

[00:27:35] Paul G Newton: him around. Possibly. He was carrying around my socks the other

[00:27:38] Andrea Smith: day, but it was shoved up in the corner of one of our den underneath something. It's the strangest place for them to end up for an animal to put them

[00:27:47] Stephanie: of.

[00:27:47] Stephanie: We had, yeah I I would say so too with, unless they were trying to bury it, but I don't see them doing that. It was literally

[00:27:53] Andrea Smith: underneath something that I don't know how an animal can necessarily place them there. [00:28:00] It's

[00:28:00] Stephanie: just weird. Yeah. You gotta take a look at and so here's the deal.

[00:28:04] Stephanie: You have entities, spirits, wherever you wanna call, 'em attached to your land or attached to you. It could be your family. It could be maybe somebody who lived there once before on the property that you live. There's lots and lots of explanations it's he could've gone to an antique store, picked up, bought an old stool and the guy he used to sit on at stool every evening when he came home from work is still attached to that damn

[00:28:33] Andrea Smith: stool.

[00:28:34] Andrea Smith: Cause it's weird. Cuz the daughter that's asking all these questions was like, mom, we either brought something home or we have acquired something or maybe it's grandpa or someone's having fun with us and I'm

[00:28:44] Stephanie: try. Yeah. If she's I don't think there's not a human having fun with you.

[00:28:49] Stephanie: It's not a human, but you have a ghost who's wanting your attention,

[00:28:54] Andrea Smith: but I'm a pretty scientific fact person [00:29:00] and it wasn't until I broke. Okay. Then tell me something. Okay. How much does the sole weigh.

[00:29:08] Andrea Smith: How much is a soul weigh, zero as a weigh, anything, but having these experiences really after losing my father has opened my mind a little bit to the possibility of things outside of what I can see and taste and feel and rationalize scientifically that I'm okay, there's probably a lot of things I just don't know and let's just embrace it.

[00:29:30] Andrea Smith: So it's, Paul May disagree with me on that, but even after my dad passed, he used to wear old spice cologne. Which makes me car sick. Yeah, it does make you car sick. Thanks to your dad. But it was like something. I bought him every year for Christmas. When I was a little girl, I don't know if he liked, he smelled it.

[00:29:50] Andrea Smith: I smell it every now and then. And it's strong.

[00:29:53] Stephanie: If my dad has been anywhere near your house, you're gonna smell it because he spills it all over his car. [00:30:00] Your dad, he literally spills it in his car. Here's Andrea. That is your dad.

[00:30:04] Andrea Smith: I figured as much. And it's like overwhelming and not everybody could smell it in the house it's just weird.

[00:30:12] Andrea Smith: Like I've asked my kids do you see things outside? Trying to figure out there are times in the house where like the other day we were, something was misplaced and I'm standing there in the house. And I look up at the ceiling like, okay, goes to the microwave. This is bullshit. Knock it off.

[00:30:27] Andrea Smith: give me my shit back. This isn't funny. And a couple days it'll show up. It's just, it's weird. You

[00:30:36] Stephanie: can, okay. They can hear you. They can see you. They will try to talk to you and get your attention. Okay. Not everybody can hear them. Not everybody can see them. I have always. Okay. So when I was a child, like I was telling you, I've always thought that I was playing with gods.

[00:30:57] Stephanie: Okay. With what he has a whole [00:31:00] different that yeah. It's a whole different, no playing with

[00:31:02] Paul G Newton: what? I didn't quite understand.

[00:31:03] Stephanie: Gods GS little G. Okay. But there were also spirits there too. Okay. And I'm sure family that I whatever. And I imaginary friend who I had till I was three and on my third birthday, he turned around and says, Stephanie, I can't come over tomorrow.

[00:31:23] Stephanie: And I'm like, why not? And he said, I've gotta go someplace, but I'll see you later. And I actually believe I've met him in real life. But I truly believe he was a soul and he was ready to be born. And I just happened to see him we hung out together, maybe in another region. I don't know.

[00:31:45] Stephanie: I don't this is the thing we don't, know's 35th life we can we can your eyes, all we want to, we can only talk about what we are experiencing

[00:31:57] Andrea Smith: now. It's interesting. And go ahead. Sorry. I didn't [00:32:00] interrupt

[00:32:00] Stephanie: and okay. And and try to figure it out from there. Now, your experiences are fairly typical.

[00:32:10] Stephanie: You have somebody who has passed or several people who have passed. Who wants to talk to you? Who wants to get with you? Who want to tell you something? God only knows what get rid of thats, what they want. Dumbass guy that puts you on the internet with your voice. He's an idiot. The interesting thing

[00:32:27] Andrea Smith: they tell.

[00:32:28] Andrea Smith: Yeah, the thing after though happened with the microwave, I called the rabbi. And I was like, Hey, you gotta come out and bless my house. And they're like, why? And I was like, just come out and bless my house. And he comes out that she does actually from Springfield at the time. Nice comes out and she's she have to pay her.

[00:32:45] Andrea Smith: No. She came out and she stood on the porch and she's I can't do this. And I'm like, why? She goes, I don't feel very good. And I'm looking at her and I was like, okay. And she goes, it's not bad. She goes, I'm not gonna Sage this house. And I was like, why? [00:33:00] And she never answered why I go, is it because

[00:33:02] Stephanie: she's an, she is an impath.

[00:33:04] Stephanie: She is a medium. She is, she has the gift. And

[00:33:07] Andrea Smith: she goes isn't bad. And I was like, thinking, is it bad? Is saging this gonna make it worse? I was like, I don't know. We are, when we're told with the church, if we're having weird funky stuff going on, we call you, you come out, you bless the house, it's all over.

[00:33:20] Andrea Smith: And that's not true, and she's more or less said, it's true for Catholics. You. She just said that it's not bad that it's okay. And she wouldn't do it.

[00:33:34] Stephanie: She did this. Yeah, no, I've known a lot of people, beca, and more than likely it is somebody there who is protecting you for whatever reason. And they have probably been protecting you for very long time.

[00:33:48] Andrea Smith: Cause I just asked her, I was like, is this your job? I'm asking you bless my house. This is what you're supposed to do, but she

[00:33:55] Stephanie: wouldn't. No, because you wanted her to bless it to, with the intent of [00:34:00] getting rid of it was there. yeah. And it

[00:34:03] Andrea Smith: was protecting me. Cause you know you talk about being Jewish and some of the things that I've been brought you buy a new house, you have it you put the MAOS on, you have it blessed, you move in that kind of thing.

[00:34:15] Andrea Smith: I don't have MAOS on every door post. I just don't, I'm not exactly very compliant you in that department, but at the best I can and it's just every now and then this, whatever it is just decides to bug us and I've asked my son, I was like, do you see it? Do you know who it is? Is it family? And it gets upset and it's I'm not trying to be mean.

[00:34:35] Andrea Smith: I'm just trying to figure it out to make sure that I'm not losing my mind because it's very crazy when you're trying to do things and you have things put and it disappears. You feel like you're losing your mind and Who in your family that passed that used to like to play jokes

[00:34:54] Andrea Smith: was not my dad.

[00:34:55] Andrea Smith: That's for sure.

[00:34:56] Stephanie: I know uncle cousin. The only other person I can think of that passed [00:35:00] away. I honestly did not know him that well. I had a cousin that died of leukemia. I must have been in elementary school. But was he a joker? Do he like to play pranks?

[00:35:11] Andrea Smith: I didn't really know him that well. I was pretty young.

[00:35:13] Paul G Newton: Remember you also said that it could be somebody she picked up somewhere or somebody just Hey, it could be that I like her. She's really cute. I'm gonna hang

[00:35:21] Stephanie: out. It could be an ancestor she's never

[00:35:24] Andrea Smith: met because I don't know my father's side of the families when his biological side of the family.

[00:35:29] Andrea Smith: So I thought who knows? It's one of those but

[00:35:31] Paul G Newton: I run 'em every, I run everything off. I don't believe that what we lost that one day that was mine. Oh yeah. I believe that was taken I,

[00:35:41] Stephanie: someone for a reason, I really do that person

[00:35:45] Paul G Newton: takes people's stuff

[00:35:48] Andrea Smith: constantly. Now my son has a problem with taking things and he doesn't return him and that's a whole other issue, but Paul

[00:35:54] Stephanie: need, I think

[00:35:54] Paul G Newton: it I think he's got it.

[00:35:56] Stephanie: Paul

[00:35:56] Andrea Smith: had to have some B12 shots and we had a needle sitting on my [00:36:00] table and we're gonna give him the shot in the morning.

[00:36:03] Stephanie: And he wanted his shots

[00:36:04] Paul G Newton: and he wasn't getting them because

[00:36:05] Stephanie: you didn't have any

[00:36:06] Andrea Smith: needles, but it turns his room upside down. If he used it

[00:36:11] Stephanie: and

[00:36:11] Paul G Newton: threw it away, you would never know.

[00:36:14] Andrea Smith: That kid doesn't take out the trash.

[00:36:15] Andrea Smith: He does the rest of them.

[00:36:16] Stephanie: I would've found out, but he's hiding it from

[00:36:17] Paul G Newton: me cuz I scare the living shit outta all of them. Ah, and I do. And I

[00:36:22] Stephanie: do

[00:36:23] Andrea Smith: well, you do it lovingly. Cause

[00:36:25] Paul G Newton: they're not, there's no reason for them to be scared of me. I'm just,

[00:36:28] Stephanie: you're a dad figure.

[00:36:29] Paul G Newton: So yeah. Yeah. So they're afraid of me because of father issues, whatever that I'm not a dad, but it doesn't matter.

[00:36:36] Paul G Newton: But I promise you that's where it went. I don't think so. And I think

[00:36:42] Andrea Smith: this is where we disagree on this.

[00:36:45] Stephanie: I don't chances are the shot was that needle was removed by your ghost. I doubt that. Very, I always say a very large probably has anything else yours ever come up missing? No. [00:37:00]

[00:37:00] Andrea Smith: No, not at not at my house.

[00:37:02] Andrea Smith: No. I have stuff every now. And something

[00:37:04] Stephanie: did something happen between you and her son where he thought that would be a good idea or he thought he would, he's just a touch selfish. That's all,

[00:37:15] Andrea Smith: he's 17 year old selfish that kind of teenagers are, but he was, oh no, I

[00:37:20] Stephanie: know exactly. I, and I, he didn't do it.

[00:37:24] Stephanie: I don't know.

[00:37:25] Andrea Smith: I will agree to disagree, but all I can say is if it eventually things that are missing. Yeah.

[00:37:30] Paul G Newton: If you said you're a ghost was if I was losing socks at your house, then I might be more compliant. I'm

[00:37:37] Stephanie: disagreeing with you. Why me? Hell would a ghost. Want your damn, I don't know, sock.

[00:37:42] Paul G Newton: Somebody's taking my socks. I get, I go fake my socks from. From my feet to the white basket, to the washer, to the dryer, to the blue basket, and then I'm missing socks. They have no chance of going anywhere else. They're not anywhere else I'm tell to other stuff

[00:37:58] Stephanie: is gone. That's [00:38:00] your dog demo? Where in God's green earth are my socks

[00:38:07] Stephanie: going?

[00:38:07] Stephanie: It goes to the microwave. I want my

[00:38:09] Paul G Newton: socks. You bring

[00:38:10] Stephanie: them back. You got you have a Demonn, you have a, my God socks. Okay. A dryer Demonn

[00:38:16] Andrea Smith: is what I call 'em. This person in my house likes to take blue dye.

[00:38:21] Stephanie: That's the only thing

[00:38:21] Paul G Newton: I've ever lost

[00:38:23] Stephanie: is

[00:38:23] Andrea Smith: socks. Blue dye my glasses.

[00:38:27] Stephanie: He's taking things that are as important.

[00:38:29] Stephanie: He took

[00:38:29] Andrea Smith: my nice mascara. He needs to give that back. That

[00:38:32] Stephanie: was probably Emily. But you see what I'm saying? He's taking things that are important to people.

[00:38:36] Andrea Smith: True. And I just don't let it, I try not to get too upset I try to laugh it off and I try to like, I am not

[00:38:43] Paul G Newton: laughing about my socks. I

[00:38:45] Stephanie: know you're not, I want my socks.

[00:38:47] Andrea Smith: We'll get you socks. Okay. Always buy socks. All right. Another question, Melissa

[00:38:52] Stephanie: has Nope. Take

[00:38:54] Paul G Newton: my socks. God damnit leave my fucking socks out of this. Take something I don't need. I need my socks. [00:39:00] Paul, what? Paul? It's not all about you. Josh. Kelly. Andrea, I just

[00:39:06] Andrea Smith: want socks. So another question was, she's heard this term is there such a thing as white magic and dark magic?

[00:39:17] Andrea Smith: And what's the difference?

[00:39:18] Stephanie: Okay. Here's the difference in white magic? Dark magic. She's racist. Okay. First of all, you gotta know how spell works. The spell works pretty much like a prayer. It's pretty much built the same. If you are a religious witch, per se, you'll have a DV that you are saying, Hey, I'm here then you have your intent or what you're wanting to happen in the body of the spell.

[00:39:46] Stephanie: And then of course you have your ending. Okay. Okay. Same thing with a prayer, God intent ending. Amen. Which is actually on. And because it actually comes from Egypt, but that's [00:40:00] another story. That's one of those. This is that's one of those podcasts that you and I are gonna have a discussion on. Okay. Cause is the stuff that's really fascinating.

[00:40:09] Stephanie: But so you're, so when you pray, when you're really down on your hands and knees and you're praying, okay. Whether you're desperate, is this something you just really want whatever it is, you're putting intent, you're putting energy into that intent or into that wish or into what you're wanting.

[00:40:32] Stephanie: Okay. Okay. This is where I was talking about when we can exchange energy between humans. We certainly can with spirits and gods. Okay. And it was a universe because the universe itself is composed of positive and negative energy. Okay. So

[00:40:53] Andrea Smith: makes

[00:40:53] Stephanie: sense. So while you are putting your intent out there to the universe, the gods too, [00:41:00] an ancestor to whoever of the hell you want to put it out to do it to a tree, please love it.

[00:41:03] Stephanie: They're very sentient What's gonna happen. You're releasing that. Okay. And you keep doing it all of a sudden, boom. One day it happens like clockwork. What you want now, I'm not gonna say it's gonna happen tomorrow after you do the spell, it could, but it could take you a couple of years.

[00:41:27] Stephanie: Before I ever got pregnant with my daughter, I kept praying. I had moved in with my husband. We were living in sin, as they say I kept praying for a house and doing spell work for a house. And this house was to be a fixer effort, cheaper than rent and under refinanced. Okay. That's pretty damn specific.

[00:41:57] Stephanie: And I wanted it to [00:42:00] be big enough. For myself, my husband my future husband my future stepson and another child, if my husband and I should have one I'm doing this prayer spells prayers I visit mixture. I did it for about oh six months and we got married month and a half after I get married.

[00:42:26] Stephanie: Boom, I get pregnant. And I'm still doing these spells and prayers. Sarah gets to be a year and a half old. My mom's friend and my mom had never talked to her friend about this. She didn't know she had rental properties. And anyway, so her friend came over to my mom's house and said, Hey, I need your help because we were real estate appraisers at the time.

[00:42:56] Stephanie: She says, I need your help. My mom's going way you need my help with, she says, I [00:43:00] have a rent house and somebody's offered to buy it from me. So I'm wanting to know, and I've offered to fi owner finance it. I'm wanting to know if he's offering me you know what it's worth. Okay. Mom goes well, okay. Mom's looking at everything and then next thing I know, and I've heard their conversation.

[00:43:23] Stephanie: I didn't think anything of it. And I I had to go pick up my daughter, say, mom, I'm gonna go get Sarah. I'm go store. Talk to you later. I get home about an hour and a half later. And start to get dinner and boom, there goes my phone. And I instantly I could, I didn't have to have call waiting or call her ID, always knew he was calling.

[00:43:46] Stephanie: So I picked up the phone. Hello, mom, what do you want? And she says I just got you a house. Oh, I said, what? I just got you a house. I said, you gotta be kidding me. And she said, no. She [00:44:00] said she told me the price. She told me how much you'd be per month. How big it was, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:44:11] Stephanie: And she says she'll owner finance it. Oh, nice. Oh yeah. So guess what I got a house. I was owner financed big enough to have myself, my husband, my stepson, and my daughter in the house and raise the kids in proper manner. It was a fixer upper, not bad, but it was a fixer. and the mortgage payment was around a hundred dollars, 120 hundred, hundred $25, less than rent per month, including tax and insurance.

[00:44:48] Stephanie: Wow.

[00:44:48] Andrea Smith: So it happens. Okay. So like a person, so what, how do I word this? What stops a person [00:45:00] from just like constantly using magic to get whatever they want?

[00:45:04] Stephanie: It doesn't well, okay. Like I said, it doesn't always happen overnight. Okay. And okay. By a hundred million here, this, hold on. I think let's say I have a certain lesson to learn in life period.

[00:45:20] Stephanie: Okay. I, first of all, I believe in reincarnation, you can't learn. Every lesson, you need to learn as a soul to move on to the next plane. This is my, these are my thoughts. Move on to the next plane until you can be as perfect as you possibly can be, which means you will learn all the lessons you will, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:45:45] Stephanie: You'll know how handle those lessons. It's a, it's kinda like the next plane is a we're ascend we're ascending, we're creating something more beautiful where we are. We know [00:46:00] what we can or can't do. And we, and we're not resentful over it because we know what the consequences are.

[00:46:07] Stephanie: You see what I'm saying? You see

[00:46:09] Andrea Smith: where I'm going with it. Yeah, I do. I just I'm thinking like, okay, just an average. I don't know how to put this. Not a very nice person thinks, oh, I'm gonna do what I apologize. I'm getting rude here. I'm gonna put these things together and I'm gonna wish for a million dollars and I'm gonna wish for how do we keep, how does that work?

[00:46:30] Andrea Smith: The universe.

[00:46:31] Stephanie: Okay. So if that person's meant, and so with having a lesson to learn, yeah, they may win a hundred million dollars and then they may lose it all within a month and then be totally that's usually what

[00:46:47] Paul G Newton: happens actually, when somebody wins a lottery

[00:46:51] Stephanie: or you see these people who live, what you think they're living this magnificent, perfect life.

[00:46:58] Stephanie: They're born with a silver spoon [00:47:00] in their mouth. They've never had to do anything to get what they wanted. And yet then this person commit suicide because they're unhappy.

[00:47:11] Andrea Smith: Yeah, I guess what I'm thinking is if people have the ability to know that they can cast a spell, what's keeping them from becoming selfish and casting.

[00:47:23] Stephanie: Nothing's keeping them from being selfish. You know what I mean?

[00:47:26] Andrea Smith: It's if you know that you can have this talent or do this ability to be able to like, acquire all this stuff by do in these spells,

[00:47:33] Stephanie: but once you acquire them, are you happy? Have you really, truly reached the

[00:47:37] Andrea Smith: goal?

[00:47:38] Andrea Smith: That's true that you were going

[00:47:39] Stephanie: for. And okay. So let's say there's a guy. I want him, I wanna marry him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't really know him, but damn he's hot based all the butterflies, do all the perfect things, and so I think, wow, I can't get his attention so well, I'm going to do a love [00:48:00] spell.

[00:48:00] Stephanie: So I get all the stuff, do the spell, I've put all this energy into it. And the next thing I know this guy's noticed me. He is right up my ass. Every day's kinda weird, not talk to my male friends anymore because he gets it very jealous and either starts fight with him or literally starts fight with me.

[00:48:27] Stephanie: So is it really, he becomes a stalker when I try to break it off, these things truly really happen. I've seen it.

[00:48:35] Andrea Smith: So in order to say you to be able to, cause I guess Melissa's Melissa. I probably shouldn't say her name. She's probably gonna get mad at me. She likes to remain anonymous kind of too late.

[00:48:43] Stephanie: Yeah. I ki I'm not, you're saying it like

[00:48:44] Paul G Newton: 47

[00:48:45] Stephanie: times. I can't help, but it's my kid's

[00:48:47] Andrea Smith: name. Okay. So I guess what I'm trying to say is for you to be able to. Do spells and stuff. You have to be conscientious and [00:49:00] understand that, that if you do something you may not necessarily get the result you want.

[00:49:04] Andrea Smith: I guess new's law

[00:49:05] Stephanie: guess with every action, there is a equal reaction. I was gonna

[00:49:10] Paul G Newton: say, who in the hell's bringing me into this,

[00:49:12] Andrea Smith: I guess for her, she's wondering if it's I hate to use this reference, but like Harry Potter where you more or less are you Harry Potter doing a spell that messes up, you get something else?

[00:49:26] Andrea Smith: She just, cuz you gotta understand everything that we see on the internet and movies and stuff about witchcraft and things like that is very Hollywood emphasize. Yeah, not correctly. But

[00:49:40] Stephanie: it's either

[00:49:41] Paul G Newton: good. Or it's either the witch is a Waverly place where they're all really good witches or yeah.

[00:49:46] Paul G Newton: Surround the

[00:49:46] Stephanie: teenage witch. Personally. I like the witches of Eastwick there,

[00:49:51] Paul G Newton: but I know, but what I'm saying is then you've got the other side of it where the witches are the wicked witch of the west. And let's throw a house on that bitch, [00:50:00] cuz she's fucking mean that's

[00:50:01] Stephanie: what I'm saying. I don't think first of all, nobody is 100% evil, dark, whatever.

[00:50:09] Stephanie: And no one is a hundred percent light happy do period. Fucking morning person,

[00:50:14] Paul G Newton: Dorothy had something to, she needed to have some record pants because we don't know just because that green bitch witch was, she was mean doesn't mean her sister, the one that the other one was bad. She could have been a good witch.

[00:50:27] Paul G Newton: She could have been like ginger gingerbread for the fricking little munchkins guys running around. She got squashed and yet the bitch threw a house on her. It's do we even know if she deserves to have a house thrown on her? Do we

[00:50:39] Stephanie: really know? Yeah. But you had, Hey. Yeah. Has the wee ones going around celebrating and singing ding dons, which is dead.

[00:50:49] Paul G Newton: Yeah. But that may be just because they owed her

[00:50:51] Stephanie: money. Oh my

[00:50:52] Andrea Smith: gosh. I guess what her question is she wants to know, is there like a moral code? [00:51:00]

[00:51:00] Stephanie: You set yours dead. It's okay. Cause she's

[00:51:03] Andrea Smith: like she, cuz seriously you set

[00:51:05] Stephanie: your own moral code, does she? Okay. So like in Wicca they go by this tenant, which is not really a true tenant as there's a whole nother story behind it that has to do with Allister Crowley.

[00:51:18] Stephanie: There's a tenant, it's the one

[00:51:19] Paul G Newton: that Oddy was singing about

[00:51:22] Stephanie: no master don't. Oh, probably. But anyway, I'm just asking. So there's a tenant in Wicca that said Somo be and no harm done. Okay. Okay. I'm doing a spell because I need a job. I need money. I need to put food on table. You pay my bills, I gotta do this.

[00:51:48] Stephanie: I gotta do that. Whatever. So

[00:51:49] Andrea Smith: you can't cut a spell for someone who cuts you off in traffic. And you're just mad.

[00:51:52] Stephanie: Probably not. You probably shouldn't do that, but let's say I'm that bitch. Let's say I'm let's say I'm wanting this [00:52:00] job. I'm wanting it bad. I need it bad beside you spell. If I, for whatever reason, decide to fit in there and no harm will come to anyone.

[00:52:11] Stephanie: See when I was, but then I don't get the job. Yeah. And the reason I don't get the job is cuz there's somebody standing over there in the corner who may be more poor or whatever, or maybe for whatever reason they're supposed to have that job. So what keeps you,

[00:52:30] Paul G Newton: what about like whenever I was like single and hadn't had any in a while because I'd been in a Loveless bullshit marriage for 20 years and it's like, all I need is a hand job.

[00:52:41] Paul G Newton: It's all I need. And yet I don't give one. Why well is that a problem? So

[00:52:47] Stephanie: probably number one, you didn't go out and look for it. because because in all

[00:52:52] Paul G Newton: honesty I did get all my stuff though. That's the thing can say, I didn't do that. He

[00:52:58] Stephanie: put the wrong spell out

[00:52:59] Andrea Smith: there. I [00:53:00] don't know

[00:53:00] Stephanie: the wrong, but the wrong spell out, but here's the deal.

[00:53:02] Stephanie: But I,

[00:53:03] Paul G Newton: but BU is said, as soon as my divorce popped, I was getting hand jobs. So whatever he true. He had a barrier is that, but I didn't do a

[00:53:12] Paul G Newton: spell. He had your own. I just went said, Hey, you wanna touch this? no, I didn't say that.

[00:53:21] Stephanie: All I can think of is all I can think of is what's his say thing.

[00:53:25] Stephanie: Yeah. Okay. Touch this.

[00:53:31] Stephanie: So

[00:53:32] Andrea Smith: to learn these spells, how do you not have some big book where all of us could look into and be like, I want to have a great day at work. I'll do this. Is there I guess Mike, is it like Harry Potter where you go to school or is it like a book that

[00:53:49] Stephanie: you can, if you work in a

[00:53:50] Paul G Newton: place full men, just wear a very low cut blouse and you will have a great day

[00:53:56] Stephanie: at work.

[00:53:57] Stephanie: Oh yeah. With they groping you or [00:54:00] you don't want you, they're not groping you, but they'll be like, oh,

[00:54:03] Paul G Newton: are you, how are you? You're I appreciate you coming into work today.

[00:54:07] Stephanie: Like the body blue, my face and my eyes. You're looking at my tits. No, thank you.

[00:54:12] Paul G Newton: You get your way. What

[00:54:14] Stephanie: the hell?

[00:54:15] Stephanie: Yeah. Yeah. Until you, until you figure out that, oh, I got a new boss and she's female that ain't gonna work. Oh yeah. That

[00:54:22] Paul G Newton: sucks. You never know. She might be into that.

[00:54:26] Stephanie: I don't, it's a new age,

[00:54:27] Paul G Newton: man. It's a new age. You can't undercut people just because,

[00:54:32] Stephanie: oh my gosh. The is you put this intent out there.

[00:54:36] Stephanie: If it is really not meant for you are either not gonna get it or if you do get it, you fucking regret it. Like I said, regret, do a love spell, and you end up with. A stalker,

[00:54:51] Paul G Newton: I guess you could regret a hand job if it was forced upon you by a guy named bill. Oh

[00:54:55] Stephanie: my God. Stop. I don't want that. No, thank you.

[00:54:58] Stephanie: I I would hope you [00:55:00] would cold cock the guy Hey,

[00:55:02] Paul G Newton: it would be cold because it would not be, I was like, no, it would be very cold. Cuz there wouldn't be any blood run to that thing at all. Oh my

[00:55:09] Stephanie: God. What?

[00:55:11] Paul G Newton: It could be cold. It's all say at cold cock, you said cold cock. The guy will

[00:55:16] Stephanie: be cold.

[00:55:16] Stephanie: First of all, Paul, you're not a narcissist.

[00:55:24] Stephanie: The narcissist wouldn't yeah, I got it. And they say, oh no, you can get the fuck

[00:55:30] Paul G Newton: outta here. Oh, people call me narcissist all the time. I don't understand why people call me a narciss. They do call you that

[00:55:37] Stephanie: too. Uh, Because they really don't know what a fucking narcissist to be true.

[00:55:42] Stephanie: I agree with that. Or they see certain traits in you and you can be very assertive and they think all narcissists NA are over or all assertive people are narcissist is out. It's not true. Their logic is backwards. Yeah. Their logic is backwards. Not all assertive people are [00:56:00] NA narciss.

[00:56:00] Stephanie: Now the one thing I will say this though, about you oh, you totally changed after you got a divorce.

[00:56:08] Paul G Newton: I was I was getting laid

[00:56:09] Stephanie: No, it wasn't that you were out first. Number one, you went outdiscover yourself. Number two, you started looking for things that made you happy.

[00:56:23] Stephanie: You hadn't been happy in years. Oh God. No. And it showed.

[00:56:28] Paul G Newton: All I wanted to there was times I was like if she slip, if she her car slips on the ice and runs into the side of the bridge and she dies. Yeah, but now what I'm going to do, I'm count that wouldn't be so bad to three and I'm gonna snap my fingers and you're gonna hu.

[00:56:41] Stephanie: So enter, I can talk and my podcast doesn't go on for two hours. It's

[00:56:45] Paul G Newton: only been going on for like snap. It's only been going on for one hour and one minute, Jesus Christ. What he, what has he got to do with this?

[00:56:57] Stephanie: I knows. He's probably sitting there shaking his head. He saying, you talk, [00:57:00] what shut I up talking.

[00:57:01] Stephanie: But so if it's not destined for you to, or it doesn't help you learn a lesson in life your skull's probably not gonna work well, free will, like I said,

[00:57:14] Paul G Newton: free will has a lot to do with it too. You can't infringe on someone else's free. Will, can

[00:57:18] Stephanie: you yeah, you can. Oh, yeah, you can, you can't

[00:57:23] Paul G Newton: force someone to do

[00:57:24] Stephanie: something.

[00:57:25] Stephanie: Oh yeah, you can.

[00:57:28] Andrea Smith: But that sounds dangerous, cuz just if that's truly, it is the case, it is very dangerous. You have to realize what you're messing with and make sure that you could understand the consequences of what

[00:57:40] Stephanie: you're doing. A lot of times when people do that or when we just do that and they are really delving into the dark arts and really using the negative energy unless they really shield themselves and know how to you'll [00:58:00] end up every time you do spell you have a residual energy sticking around.

[00:58:05] Stephanie: OK. So if it's a good spell, you kinda want that residual energy kinda sticking around because you're gonna attract. What you're putting out there, is the idea, same thing with negative magic or energy.

[00:58:20] Andrea Smith: So where's this because that's magic at how do you learn it? Are you taught it? Are you mentored

[00:58:26] Stephanie: it?

[00:58:26] Paul G Newton: I'm still having trouble with it because putting much of chemicals together and having intent doesn't mean, I just don't see

[00:58:33] Stephanie: how it works. Okay. So for like me I grew up seeing spirits. God's whatever the hell you want me to call him. Okay. I still see him. And on top of that, when my grandmother died my, one of my cousins came up to me who was older.

[00:58:51] Stephanie: She was over 18. I was 11. We've been living with my grandmother for about four years. She had cancer. That's what she died from. And next [00:59:00] thing I know we're having Sunday dinner and my aunt like we did every Sunday and one of my cousins had come over and she was about, oh gosh, I guess she was about 21.

[00:59:12] Stephanie: She's about 10 years older than I was she's 21, 22 already had kids. And she looked at me and she says because since aunt Chloe died, you're the new family witch. Oh, I'm like, what? You sure? They said witch or bitch? No witch. You

[00:59:29] Paul G Newton: could qualify for either what?

[00:59:31] Stephanie: Oh yeah, I was. Yeah.

[00:59:33] Stephanie: I was was born both, so

[00:59:37] Paul G Newton: this is how long we've known each other. I can say something like that. Yeah. She doesn't get mad. She's you're right.

[00:59:41] Stephanie: In the years of what's really said is I've actually graduated to CU sometimes. I It's really out there. But so I those really set me back a little bit because I'd already been studying ancient religion because when we moved here, okay.

[00:59:57] Stephanie: My mother came from a long line of [01:00:00] Protestant children on my dad's side. They were Jewish. Not that he would confess to that. But my fam my family on my dad's side, didn't go to church. So he'll go to church with his friends and they were all Catholic. Yeah. And dad. Really never.

[01:00:22] Stephanie: And I don't know why, but he never really bought into religion per se. It doesn't believe doesn't mean that he didn't believe in a higher power or a creator. He just didn't know who it was or what to believe. And so anyway, so my parents, whether right or wrong, decided to not raise me in church especially my dad coming from a Jewish heritage and gypsy heritage.

[01:00:51] Stephanie: And of course, all gypsies are pagans are originally started out as PAs and I've eventually adopted for the most [01:01:00] part Christianity. So my mom in her infinite wisdom news me to Arkansas, the tender age of seven. And this is early seventies and everybody Wednesday, Sunday morning, Sunday, evening church period, like clock awkward, you knew and I'd already seen no, I had not seen a step further wise yet.

[01:01:26] Stephanie: I don't think it'd come out yet. But that's exactly what it was like you did not Ms. Church. If you tried to call a friend on Wednesday Uhuh, they weren't home. They were at church. Yeah. Okay. And me and being the curious child that I was I started studying ancient religions, looking for God because I would go to church with my friends and I would turn around, ask the Reverend preacher, whoever you wanna call 'em Hey blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[01:01:55] Stephanie: Why do I see spirits? Why do I I didn't say it [01:02:00] that way. I didn't say why do I see

[01:02:01] Paul G Newton: invisible people stop eating those mushrooms that you find on

[01:02:04] Stephanie: the Saturday road? Yeah. Yeah. And I would ask them questions like this, and they're like I don't know why I said it's not in the Bible.

[01:02:11] Stephanie: No. Why do I know things before they're going to have it maybe had

[01:02:16] Paul G Newton: premonitions, right? Huh. I've had premonitions, right?

[01:02:21] Stephanie: Yeah. A lot of people have premonitions. My last premonition

[01:02:24] Paul G Newton: I had was I was out in Oklahoma Plains and a really big house with a pool. And I'm flipping burgers on a stovetop or not a stovetop, but a barbecue grill.

[01:02:42] Paul G Newton: And There's kids running around that aren't mine, but I don't care. And there's this blackhead chick and a one piece she's having a great time and she's, Suning herself with her sunglasses on and a big old hat. [01:03:00] And we're all playing by the pool. And that was the premonition I had. so Andrew, you're gonna have to buy a pool.

[01:03:10] Stephanie: good Lord. that's not how premonitions work, Paul. I know. I've always called, I've always called my premonitions, the known cuz I didn't know what else to call 'em at the time, but no ones. No, the knowing. Oh I was like, I just knew things I knew concrete statues with

[01:03:27] Paul G Newton: hats. That's what I was thinking.

[01:03:29] Paul G Newton: You were saying those concrete statues with hats noms?

[01:03:33] Stephanie: No, no. K N O w I N G.

[01:03:40] Paul G Newton: I know. I'm just playing. Okay.

[01:03:42] Stephanie: So I like annoying you. It's fun. I know and you're just so delightful doing it. Yes. It's wonderful. Here's why till I bring you over a red as asshole they're so D oh,

[01:03:57] Stephanie: Anyway. So I've always had the knowing. I [01:04:00] knew when things were gonna happen. Know, I knew when people would die. That's scary and there's a whole new, there's a whole nother theory. There it is when you're a kid, but you get older, it gets annoying. It's kind okay, you see the light go to it.

[01:04:14] Stephanie: And they don't, they, they don't because they're scared. And so they come through you and you're just like going get through there and they go into the light and they're okay. And they're not every soul passes the light, some pass the light, then they come back. So

[01:04:28] Andrea Smith: it's why not they just like wanting to hang around cuz they love earth so much or they just

[01:04:34] Stephanie: for coffee sometimes it's the coffee sometimes.

[01:04:36] Stephanie: I think if they haven't passed through the li light. And they're very restless or whatever, it's one, they don't, they haven't finished what they have to do or two, they don't realize they're dead or three. They want some fucking answers and they're not willing to go through the, like to get the answers and it really comes down to they're [01:05:00] scared. It makes, because just because makes sense. Just because you die doesn't mean you still don't have feelings.

[01:05:06] Andrea Smith: It's not in beetle just, would they give you a book of the recently deceased and it tells you what you're supposed

[01:05:11] Stephanie: to do?

[01:05:11] Stephanie: Yeah, no. I don't think I'm

[01:05:13] Paul G Newton: not gonna be a social worker for ghosts.

[01:05:15] Stephanie: I don't think that happens we have proven there are other dimensions. Okay. Dimension we shut up Paul, shut up. Stephanie. Paul, I will say it. What anyway. Fuck off Paul. Yeah. I do have two more questions.

[01:05:35] Paul G Newton: Two more quick, happy, hurry up.

[01:05:37] Stephanie: All

[01:05:38] Paul G Newton: right. So how long could she talk

[01:05:40] Stephanie: teasing a long we wanna know,

[01:05:43] Andrea Smith: I know this. She wants to know, and it goes back to that person messing in my house.

[01:05:47] Andrea Smith: Should you just let, 'em keep messing with your house or should you try to figure out what they want? What do you do?

[01:05:54] Stephanie: What do you do about it? Know what this is now, your son's comfortable with it. I can always talking him. [01:06:00] But you have a clear avoid there. You got medium there. He should know if it's not bothering him a little and be bother by it.

[01:06:09] Stephanie: Is this stuff

[01:06:10] Andrea Smith: bothering him? It's not really bothering us, but he really won't talk about it. But for the person who's asking the question she just wanted to know, is it just, I don't know, absent mindedness of me misplacing things, or is this person actually having fun or should we embrace it or should we talk to them or

[01:06:30] Stephanie: klepto cats?

[01:06:31] Stephanie: I First of all, you talk to them and you say, Hey, this is not acceptable. We don't care. We know that you're, we're probably living on your place. We're really trying to take care of it you can't keep doing this or I won't be able to drive to work in order to make money and keep the house up.

[01:06:51] Stephanie: Sometimes you just have to talk to that way.

[01:06:53] Andrea Smith: Cause she's she's very she's saying mom, maybe this house is on an ancient burial land or I'm like, I doubt that. [01:07:00] She's mom, maybe this house used to yellow. No, the house used to belong to somebody. I was like, the land had no, there was a house.

[01:07:06] Andrea Smith: I don't know what the land was prior, but it's just too many watching ghost adventures and learning all their, so the

[01:07:14] Stephanie: old

[01:07:15] Paul G Newton: carnival clown graveyard that no one wants, you

[01:07:19] Stephanie: know about are, oh God Paula hate clowns. oh God, I don't like him either. I hate clowns. I

[01:07:27] Andrea Smith: hate Stephen too. I hated clown. From a very young age

[01:07:32] Stephanie: and I've hated him ever since I first saw him.

[01:07:34] Stephanie: I never even thought

[01:07:35] Andrea Smith: they were funny. I remember as a kid looking at them going, nothing should be that funny. You're fucking scary and

[01:07:43] Stephanie: yeah, no, I didn't. They come from hell and then

[01:07:47] Andrea Smith: watching Stephen. King's it story behind that? Oh God. Yeah, it was on TV. My dad wouldn't let me watch it, my brother. And I wanna watch it anyway.

[01:07:54] Andrea Smith: It's his story, man. I've read some of Stephen King's stuff and let's just say [01:08:00] he's got a good imagination.

[01:08:02] Stephanie: Oh yeah, he does. I love Tommy knockers. I thought that was so good.

[01:08:05] Andrea Smith: We're sitting behind the couch trying to watch it. Now. My dad knew we were there. He said it even later he goes, I figured you get nightmares.

[01:08:11] Andrea Smith: You learn not to watch a damn show. We're watching it. And the clown came on and I thought, okay, that's just totally 100% solidified my hatred of clowns. I cannot stand them. They're fucking creepy. And so

[01:08:24] Stephanie: well, yeah. And those pictures the day I do people. Yeah. That was made real famous during the sixties and seventies and every little girl had 'em up on their wall, my cousin had a set and they were the Mines all those things and but they had these so eyes.

[01:08:43] Stephanie: Oh yeah. And every time I would go to her house I would literally have to either have my back to the damn pictures or have the sheep over my eyes when I try to sleep or I would literally dream about them. And they would to, in me, I [01:09:00] hated them. My

[01:09:01] Andrea Smith: kids dressed up as clowns. When they got older clown mass, just to mess with me for Halloween.

[01:09:07] Andrea Smith: Cause they know I hate clowns, but I don't know the spirits at, of our house or how do you know to you just open up a conversation with him? Hey, Mr. Ghost to the Braco wave. I appreciate you having fun with me, but can you tailor it? G

[01:09:21] Stephanie: T yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Is what you do. You talk to them you say G T F O what.

[01:09:32] Paul G Newton: It's millennial speak. Forget the

[01:09:33] Stephanie: fuck out. No. Oh, geez. No, you don't do that because if it's

[01:09:37] Andrea Smith: my, whoever it is, whatever it is, it's not hurting anything. It's just making me feel like I'm going, it's feel like I'm going insane. Is there

[01:09:45] Stephanie: annoying? It's not no you want to tell em, say, Hey, I understand you wanna play pranks.

[01:09:53] Stephanie: There are different kind of playing pranks. You could play find a somebody who has a [01:10:00] rubber noise maker, and put underneath couch fiction or something behead fit right there.

[01:10:08] Stephanie: A rubber noise

[01:10:09] Paul G Newton: maker.

[01:10:11] Stephanie: I can't help it. Oh, Jesus Christ. I right now.

[01:10:16] Stephanie: But what they're trying to use, they're trying to get your attention for whatever reason. Cause it, and this isn't exactly it lonely. Yeah. Is it possible? It

[01:10:25] Andrea Smith: could be, but it's I was trying to have this conversation with Paul and he's just like laughing at me, but to have this conversation about this kind of thing with anybody else, and some of our experiences at our house is they think you're freaking

[01:10:35] Paul G Newton: crazy.

[01:10:36] Paul G Newton: Do you have enough cats? Do you have enough cats there that they could just talk to them?

[01:10:41] Stephanie: Here's the problem with most people, first of all, they don't think outside the book. This is true. Okay. They have no idea what the gifts of God are, which one is of prophecy. And how do you do that? You have the knowing as [01:11:00] prophecy there there's several gifts and gift of tongues.

[01:11:10] Stephanie: Okay. And I've always equated gift of tongues as to you don't really change the way you speak. You are just able to in tune to the other side and to individual spirits or to gods or whatever you, they can hear you.

[01:11:27] Andrea Smith: Is there any way of figuring out exactly who it is?

[01:11:30] Stephanie: Yeah, actually there is.

[01:11:31] Stephanie: If they, okay, so if you're entity and this is sounds like a parlor trick you may ask them to do something like you put a jelly bean there on the counter and say, okay Mr. And Mrs. With a ghost, I have this jelly beam here. You to know if you're male or female simple question.

[01:11:56] Stephanie: And to say in the morning, if you're male, the jelly beam will be [01:12:00] gone. And in the morning it say you're female. And see if that works, leave it out there a couple of days,

[01:12:07] Andrea Smith: I've got cats and they'll probably carry that off into, so

[01:12:09] Stephanie: your cats would keep them well you'll have to figure something else out.

[01:12:12] Stephanie: Yeah. Yeah. I know what you mean, but you or if they like to make noises you hear them knocking on the walls or walking across the floor.

[01:12:20] Andrea Smith: Actually. No, none of that stuff, all we've heard is just pretty like things disappearing. And I've asked the,

[01:12:24] Paul G Newton: even if they made noises, you wouldn't know it because you've got cats fighting everywhere.

[01:12:29] Paul G Newton: There're always, there's always some cat fighting with another cat, 24 7

[01:12:34] Stephanie: Do you ever have your cat ever look at part of the room that's completely empty and his at it?

[01:12:43] Andrea Smith: Yes, actually. Yeah. I just figured they were just being cats.

[01:12:46] Stephanie: No, they're seeing the ghost. They're seeing the spirit.

[01:12:50] Stephanie: See ginger,

[01:12:50] Paul G Newton: never my cat ginger, never, ever did that.

[01:12:55] Stephanie: Never because you don't have a ghost,

[01:12:56] Paul G Newton: Because I run 'em off.

[01:12:59] Andrea Smith: It's funny [01:13:00] because I've had him like arch their back, like something outta hall, like the Halloween cat that you see always around the Halloween time. And they would just his and scurry off.

[01:13:07] Andrea Smith: And I'll be like, what the hell's his problem? The kids are

[01:13:10] Stephanie: like, Ooh. Yeah, no they're seeing a spirit. I see him every night. And I'll see him during the day too, not as often, but I used to see them more, less medication for that.

[01:13:20] Paul G Newton: Now

[01:13:21] Stephanie: shut up. Paul . I used to see more as like black shadows kind of something in my peripheral vision and black shadow.

[01:13:28] Stephanie: Now those black shadows are in color. They look like humans. And they're sitting next to me. I still cannot look at 'em straight on. Like I used to be able to when I was little. Say gets kinda weird now

[01:13:47] Andrea Smith: say. you're open to this and you wanna be able to see some of this stuff.

[01:13:54] Andrea Smith: Can you, and can anyone become a witch? Be taught it? Yeah.

[01:13:57] Stephanie: Everybody can become a [01:14:00] witch. Not everybody can possess the Claires,

[01:14:03] Paul G Newton: but would I be a warlock

[01:14:04] Stephanie: instead? No. A warlock is historically someone who is a bad person and has gone against the coing. Oh. Or the community of witches.

[01:14:16] Paul G Newton: So what's a male witch and you can't be a male witch.

[01:14:18] Paul G Newton: Can you?

[01:14:20] Stephanie: Yeah. A witch is a witch. I don't care what your gender is you're a witch, you're a

[01:14:25] Paul G Newton: witch, the original me too movement right there.

[01:14:29] Stephanie: Now it should be L G know most LT,

[01:14:32] Paul G Newton: Q R w. For which

[01:14:34] Stephanie: most of your ancient societies were me too movements. Anyway, I know because they were a matriarchal, yes.

[01:14:42] Stephanie: Society and a patriarchal it's like what we're turning

[01:14:45] Paul G Newton: into now as a matriarchal society. I think they say we're in a patriarchal society, but hell I don't see it as a world run by women as far

[01:14:53] Stephanie: as I'm concerned. That's a whole other podcast. Yeah. That's a whole other podcast, but why be more than happy to [01:15:00] be into, so can and can you like go to the public library and be like I wanna learn how to do spells just check out a

[01:15:05] Stephanie: book.

[01:15:06] Stephanie: How I learned, okay. So I asked my aunt, I said cousin, Linda just said, I was the family witch now. And she says, oh yeah, probably. I said why was somebody gonna tell me? And she says I wasn't gonna talk to you about this, but I just haven't had a chance to, and I didn't talk to your mom about it first.

[01:15:26] Stephanie: I was like, oh, She said, but since Linda spills, the beans let's have a talk. So we had a talk she told me everything she could she was mostly a kitchen with garden, which animals, plants thrived under her care the food, oh my God. You would just die for and she just explained to me she explained to me what my uncles could do and everything oh.

[01:15:55] Stephanie: The way they decided that I was gonna be the next family, which after my [01:16:00] grandmother died was because of my premonitions. And I would always sit there and I'd talk about 'em cuz they'd come outta the blue. And he just came in and was like, oh, by the way da. And I'd spit 'em out until I finally learned that, not all people understand that.

[01:16:16] Stephanie: See I never, nobody in my family ever talks to me about this. Until after my grandmother died and my husband spilled the beans. Okay. Now my mom would talk about intuition, ESB, blah, blah, blah. I would say things that my mom would just look at me, like you tell on her face. It's like, how the fuck did you know that?

[01:16:35] Stephanie: Seriously,

[01:16:37] Paul G Newton: so Stephanie, I got a question. So if someone just real quickly, cuz we're gonna, we're coming to the end here if someone wanted to do that and be Christian as well, you said there was some at the very beginning that some people could be Christian and still be witches.

[01:16:55] Paul G Newton: Oh, very much. So how does that not, how does that not [01:17:00] go against Christianity?

[01:17:02] Stephanie: Look at Psalms. Okay. Psalms of course are songs. Which book is that in? Book of Psalms that is old Testament.

[01:17:15] Stephanie: so look at the book of Psalms. Okay. There's a song that was created out of the book of Psalms. Songs is a very okay. So something we haven't gotten really into is frequencies, music, frequencies type thing, and they're chanting, blah, blah, blah. People like certain music. Yeah.

[01:17:35] Stephanie: Certain frequencies. Do certain things, do the soccers in your body or do things to your body and we can help you along your way on your journey in life, whatever it might be. That's why a lot of people, when they listen to music, it listen their favorite songs, all of a sudden they've to, I'm gonna myself to, or go postal to, I am the happiest fucking person on the world right now.

[01:17:56] Paul G Newton: So how does that relate to Christianity[01:18:00]

[01:18:02] Stephanie: are songs. okay. Yes. They all have a frequency to them. Okay. And I have found that some, not all, but some C which is, who are Christians. Yeah. If they use Psalms especially some of the who do practitioners. Okay. The, they can't hit. Sure. Okay. So you have that rhythm, you have that frequency and that plays, I think that plays a very important is a very important vehicle of getting your intended energy or your energy with

[01:18:46] Paul G Newton: intent.

[01:18:46] Paul G Newton: But how is that related to Chris Christianity being a witch? I don't understand.

[01:18:53] Stephanie: Okay.

[01:18:56] Paul G Newton: Can you do both and still be a good

[01:18:58] Stephanie: Christian? Yes, you can do both. [01:19:00] Okay. Actually you're better off of you're Jewish. Okay. Seriously, you're better off of you're Jewish. Because you have the Copala the mysticism, the Jewish.

[01:19:13] Paul G Newton: Yeah, they do it's Christianity too, but we're just kinda

[01:19:17] Stephanie: aware Christianity has taken bleach and whitewashed it, but here's something in Christianity they do fair. They have ol yeah. Olstein Joel ol. Yeah. You have the other guy who's on out TV and his wise and he really bright eyes.

[01:19:38] Stephanie: I can't the, his names or anything doesn't matter. But they're all. What are they talking about? Profiting? Praying for what you want. Yeah. Tying.

[01:19:50] Paul G Newton: Yeah. Don't do that. That has nothing to do with anything. Yeah, it does. Yeah. No I for Christianity, it doesn't have anything to do with anything. You don't use Chris [01:20:00] Christianity or any religion to gain fortune.

[01:20:04] Paul G Newton: That's not what

[01:20:05] Stephanie: you're not that's. Is that not what people is that? Not what people pray

[01:20:08] Paul G Newton: for? They can pray for it all they want, but that's not what, that's not what a true

[01:20:13] Stephanie: religions about. And some, and don't some of them actually

[01:20:15] Paul G Newton: That remains to be seen.

[01:20:20] Stephanie: Paul. Wow. Think about what you're saying.

[01:20:24] Stephanie: Nothing is absolute. There are no absolute. I know you're right about that. And everything is probable and yes, you have Christian witches and yes, you have Christians who don't really mean to probably, or don't think that they're performing magic, but they perform magic. Anytime that when they, I can see what saying, you're saying God God will make sure they get what they deserve.

[01:20:48] Paul G Newton: I can see what you're saying. If you pray to God and ask God in a Christian way to do it is then it's a, it's akin to mysticism because it is a [01:21:00] mystical thing that

[01:21:00] Stephanie: happens. It mystic. Yeah, it is

[01:21:02] Paul G Newton: miss. I know, but you can't just tell that to somebody who's a practicing Christian. They'll lose their shit and stab you in the face.

[01:21:09] Paul G Newton: Okay. So you have to be more gentle,

[01:21:12] Stephanie: believing,

[01:21:13] Paul G Newton: gotta be a little more

[01:21:14] Stephanie: gentle. They're believing in a God who people say, or Moses said, you can look upon them or you burn up or they drastically change your appearance. Yeah. The hand you play UHS that have all this stuff written on them. They have chosen a God who has chosen the Jews who has a history in Canan as war God.

[01:21:41] Stephanie: And yet the Jews come from baby. All, anything is possible. I'm just saying,

[01:21:48] Paul G Newton: so if anybody has any more questions I get, we're gonna end this real quick. So if anybody has any questions that you want to propose to Stephanie, or if you want to just reach out and tell her she's full of shit, or [01:22:00] you do agree with her or to complain about me, which is fine.

[01:22:03] Paul G Newton: Cause everybody does you could send an email to Paul G. Paul Jean newton.com. That's Paul G. Paul Jean newton.com. And you can donate whatever you want. If you want to. To me and I will take it gracefully unless it's a pile of shit. And then I'll throw it back at you whatever. So I'm if we believe the atheists were all born from apes and what apes like to do, they like to throw shit out of their cages.

[01:22:33] Paul G Newton: That's not true. I'm teasing. It's not true. I'm teasing. I know. But anyway was wrong.

[01:22:38] Andrea Smith: Thank you for answering some of the questions that we I had and my kiddo had, cuz I try to,

[01:22:44] Stephanie: oh, not a problem. Like I said when I said before the podcast we're gonna go have lunch. We're go have fun.

[01:22:51] Stephanie: I'm not sure we're gonna take Paul with us though. Oh my God. that sounds

[01:22:55] Paul G Newton: good. There is no stories that she could share with you that I haven't already told [01:23:00] you.

[01:23:00] Stephanie: This is probably true. Yeah. I'm

[01:23:02] Paul G Newton: that's probably true. Yeah. I mean I'm open and honest. A hundred percent, a hundred thousand percent. I don't care.

[01:23:08] Paul G Newton: There's no secrets for me. You wanna know something

[01:23:11] Stephanie: out that there really or not. You, yeah, you yeah. You share a lot too much. Usually sometimes too much. Yeah. Too much. Anyone else I got divorced. You settled down. I'm really glad you settle down. So dating a knife woman, because now I don't have to hear all the stuff.

[01:23:28] Stephanie: See, I would call her fucking God. I would

[01:23:31] Paul G Newton: call her and tell her about peg legs and wild eyes and roller Derby chicks and all sorts of stuff. She's what the fuck is wrong with you,

[01:23:40] Stephanie: Paul? Yeah. Yeah. I had a good time though. Not what do I had a good time? Anyway, both of you could not know.

[01:23:48] Stephanie: Wonderful evening. I've had. So give me some more questions, send me some emails. I don't care. And I I'm not gonna give

[01:23:55] Paul G Newton: you your, I'm not gonna give your email out unless you want

[01:23:57] Stephanie: to. Let's not there right now. Let's see if [01:24:00] somebody actually

[01:24:01] Paul G Newton: send us something, send it to Paul G. Paul G newton.com.

[01:24:05] Paul G Newton: Paul G. Paul G newton.com. If you go to our link for the most part and let you'll see that there's a donate button down there too, cuz it would be nice for me to recruit the almost $900. It costs me to buy for these microphones to get this program on the air, which I'm actually happy to do because I like it.

[01:24:25] Paul G Newton: It doesn't bother me, but if you wanna help me pay it for 'em, that'd be okay. You could send me some money. I'll take it or give us a

[01:24:33] Stephanie: pizza, right?

[01:24:34] Paul G Newton: Or buy the girls' lunch. Tell Paul the fuck off because that's what they would want. Or at least one of 'em would want. I think Andrea might actually want me to be there.

[01:24:43] Paul G Newton: But Stephanie, she is a witch and a you.

[01:24:50] Stephanie: Hello, Stephanie. I'm here. I

[01:24:53] Paul G Newton: figured she'd take the opportunity to yell bitch, cuz

[01:24:56] Stephanie: she usually does. Now I'm just a cunt.

[01:24:59] Andrea Smith: [01:25:00] she might put a hex on you, but for anybody out there who has any ideas, questions, things that maybe you might possibly wanna know, please send them our way.

[01:25:08] Stephanie: Yeah. Yeah. Because anything you wanna know because I mean there's no topic, I'm

[01:25:13] Paul G Newton: not telling you length fingers, just so you know, that's private thing.

[01:25:18] Andrea Smith: People let's be open, have a question, send it our way. This is a totally open form or open to anything. It's exactly like things I wanna know.

[01:25:25] Stephanie: It's

[01:25:26] Paul G Newton: what it is.

[01:25:27] Paul G Newton: All right. Bye.

[01:25:29] Stephanie: Bye.

Talking With The Dead - Medium Daniel Jackson

Are ghosts real? Are spirits Real? The only way we can find the unfettered truth is to die. The question remains, can we still communicate with the living once we perish? For centuries human beings have conjured the dead, or have they? Atheists and science say no. Religion and the spiritual say yes.

Will you ever know? Can we ever prove it?

Daniel Jackson, our guest tonight, author of The New Beginning My awakening as a spirit Medium, is our guest today. His goal is to help people find a better version of themselves. We will discover How he does do this? How does he talk to archangels and the dead? How does one become a medium?

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TRANSCRIPT

Talking with the dead – Daniel Jackson

[00:00:00] Paul G Newton: Our ghosts real our spirits real. The only way we can find the unfettered truth is to die. The question remains, can we still communicate with the living? Once we perish for centuries, human beings have conjured the dead or have they atheists and science say no religious and the spiritual say yes, will we ever know?

Can we ever prove it? Daniel Jackson, our guest tonight, and the author of the new beginning, my awakening as a spirit meeting. Is our guest today. His goal is to help people find a better version of themselves and [00:01:00] we will discover how does he do this? How does he talk to arch angels and the dead? How does one become a medium?

So Daniel, thank you for being on the program today. I really, really do appreciate it. And I'm very curious as to, if you could explain just a little bit about, about what you do. 

[00:01:28] Daniel Jackson: Sure. Well, I can tell you, one thing we don't have to do is like you were saying in the very beginning, coning spirit, you don't have to conjure anything that's already here.

Huh? Because, because when you wake up in the morning and you daily, you do your daily routine, you shit, shower and shave, and then you go to work and do your job. And maybe you don't do your job, cuz you're a lazy piece of crap. And then you come home and you eat dinner and watch TV with your wife and then you go to sleep at night and you wake up and do it all over again, spirits around you, 24 7.

They're not always paying attention to what we do because a lot of times now, because the, the main reason for that is they [00:02:00] don't really care what we do because you know why cuz they don't have to do it anymore. They live an uninterrupted life. So sometimes they pay attention to what we do, but they know what we do is pretty much trivial because they don't have money where they are.

Why. Because they don't need it. Do you know who else doesn't need it? Us? We just think it's important because the people who want to tell us how to live our lives, the way they want us to live it and give them 10%, told us that it's important. How do we, how did they know about 10% back then? Because the people who wrote those books and who wrote all those laws and all that stuff were Kings and Queens.

That's how the people who are in control. Okay. We just relinquish the power over time a long time ago. We need to learn to take it 

[00:02:44] Paul G Newton: back. So I'm, I'm a, a conserved with Lutheran. Um, and you know, the old joke is what do you get when you get four, four Lutherans together? Right? What do you get a fifth? You get a fifth.

Oh, okay. so we're a little bit different. We're not like Catholics, you know, we're not [00:03:00] like Baptist for sure. I have a Catholic joke for you. Uh, oh, there we go. Catholic 

[00:03:05] Daniel Jackson: joke. How do you get a nun pregnant? okay. Okay. You dress her up like an altar boy. A

[00:03:14] Andrea S: So I got a question. That's bad. I got a question. okay. You say that, of course you do. Spirits are around us all the time. Well, yeah. Who hangs out? Who is the spirits that hangs out with you? Is it family? Is it just some random purse, some random soul in your house who hangs out 

[00:03:29] Daniel Jackson: with you? Sometimes. Yes.

Sometimes your family, but, uh, what people don't realize is when you pass away, there's two places to go. You're gonna crossover into the light or you remain here. But even when you cross over into the light, when you get there, you don't just bump into two or 300 people that you met here. You know, every.

Because that's the original family, the sole family, you're just here to learn lessons and fulfill a purpose. But if you don't remember what, what went on in heaven, because you're not meant. And remember that because if you did, you wouldn't be able [00:04:00] to function here, live in this human experience. But yes, there's everyone is, but it's not just people it's, I, I don't just see people.

I see everything. I see people, dogs, cats, horses, cowfish other beings, other worlds. Because if you think this is the only place with beings on it. Yeah. There, there might be somebody you earthbound walking around with horns in a tail, but they're not torturing anybody, but they have horns in a tail because that's what they look like, where they come from.

[00:04:23] Paul G Newton: So, and that, you know, a lot of these things are repeated in the old Testament too. 

[00:04:30] Daniel Jackson: Um, well that book is a piece of crap. 

[00:04:32] Paul G Newton: Well, it is, well, we don't wanna, we don't, you know, I, I see where you're coming from um, 

[00:04:39] Daniel Jackson: but it's the book of, of lies and deception in order to have power and control everybody. Well, because they want you to, they want you to fear God, but also he's a merciful God.

Well, which one? 

[00:04:49] Paul G Newton: Well, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's possible to do both, but what's an, what's an arc angel. 

[00:04:55] Daniel Jackson: An arc angel is being of a higher consciousness that no longer needs a body. That's all, [00:05:00] they're just a higher conscious. They, they are much smarter, much more intelligent that we, they get it. They understand why we're here.

[00:05:09] Andrea S: What kind of human soul look I'm an arc. 

[00:05:12] Daniel Jackson: Um, oh, could like a regular soul just leave here and become an angel. Like everyone says that the, oh my grandmother. Yeah, she's an angel. No, she's not. , uh, it takes a very long time for someone to become an angel. It takes a very, uh, different commitment to become an angel because in heaven, and as in, in the, in the earthbound realm, I'm able to see in both places, they are still having what we would call relations with each other.

I see them making out all the time. I see 'em going downtown all the time. It's like watching one big, giant spirit orgy, but we're not invited because why you're not, we're not spirit yet, but in order to become an angel, you have to let that go because it's all about just helping at that point. And you're not occupied with anything else.

Right. Other than [00:06:00] that. 

[00:06:00] Paul G Newton: So how, how does, so when did you first start talking to, or hearing from, or seeing, when did this first start for you? 

[00:06:11] Daniel Jackson: um, it started when I, I, I started seeing when I was three years old. Right. Um, but um, my whole family saw them. We lived, I grew up in New Jersey and in this town we lived in right next to the Delaware river was a battlefield where the Heins fought.

Yeah. So a lot of the homes in that area were also what we would call haunted. Like, uh, one time my sister was getting, uh, dressed, uh, or school. My mom was helping her enter in the bathroom and there was a full length mirror on this door. And they looked in the mirror when they did, there was another woman standing in the mirror with a, a colonial outfit on, um, one time when that's, 

[00:06:46] Paul G Newton: that's been said a few times there was a, uh, There was a, uh, somebody that doesn't want to be named.

I heard it on, uh, the astonishing legends podcast and they had gone to [00:07:00] the, um, um, queen Mary, I think it is in that's in, uh, LA Harbor. I think it is. Sure. And, uh, that's what happened to him. He was trying to get dressed. They, they got put in a different room, a room that they didn't normally rent out, but because the room that they had was way too small and they couldn't even get dressed in it and they were going to, uh, you know, a ball or something that's tight

Yeah. And so they moved him to another one because, you know, she was a Karen, so whatever. All right, cool. Now that goes . So they, they thought it would be funny to put him in the haunted room, eh, yay. And the guy's getting dressed and there's somebody standing behind him. So this is not the first time I've heard.

Uh, this type of story, uh, this type of experience. Pardon me. Um, and, uh, it's, it's interesting that it's, it's re it's something that people have seen over and over again in multiple different 

[00:07:56] Daniel Jackson: places. Yeah. Yeah. I have one of those times, my, my [00:08:00] brothers and I, we were downstairs in what we called the recreational room was our, where we watched TV.

And, uh, my sister's room was upstairs on the second floor, but we were kind of like in the basement, but I guess it's three floors, but whatever. And, uh, we were watching TV and my sister's record player turned on. Now this is back in the seventies. When, you know, you had to lift the record up and you flip the switch and then the record will fall down.

Well, it was, uh, it, it was playing a record, but that wasn't the crazy part. The crazy part was it switched to records. So in other words, it, it put a record on, and it, after that it took the record off and put another one on interesting. Yeah. So my, my one brother sent me my other brother upstairs to turn it off.

I mean, we jumped up those stairs as quick as we could and jumped back down. So yeah, yeah. Had stuff like had stuff like that. Go on. And then eventually, uh, my mom and I and dad and my one brother moved out of that house and moved down to Delaware. Uh, and then that's when things started to change there where my [00:09:00] parents were no longer really seeing anything.

It was just me at that point. I mean, because before, when we were back in Jersey, man, we saw Ash trays and cups move and, and all kinds of stuff, but then it was J it just, it was me like, like I said, I was, uh, I came home from a gig one time in the eighties playing in an eighties metal band. And I laid down in bed.

And when I did something laid down next to me, like three or four times, I could feel the bed move. I could feel it shake. And I felt the, uh, the pillow would depress. And I was like, Thanks Scott. And I kept rolling over to see if anything was there, nothing. And then this happened like three, four times. And then that fifth time when I rolled over whatever, was there, picked up the blanket and brought it up to the ceiling and shook it above me.

And then it dropped it on top of me. And then after that, but the next two years I slept on the couch. I was pretty shitless. Yeah, 

[00:09:48] Paul G Newton: exactly. Yeah. So, so you're not the only one that's had this experience. You have other family members that had 

[00:09:54] Daniel Jackson: yeah. My other families did as well. And my sister still has a little bit of it as well, [00:10:00] but I mean, she's just been just one of those people.

Who's not absolutely a positive person all the time. So, uh, she has not moved forward with it and I moved forward with it. And when you move forward and you accept who you are, 

[00:10:15] Paul G Newton: do you think it's a DNA. 

[00:10:17] Daniel Jackson: No, it has nothing to do with your DNA. It's all about your soul. It comes through with your soul. We are all born with it, but just a lot of times, not everyone is meant to keep it.

As we all know, some people are meant to be teachers. Other people are just meant to be students. But what happens in this world is you come into this world in a baby body and you're looking up at these people and you're going well, and they're going, I'm your mom and dad, you're going, I don't know who the hell you are, but okay.

and then they raise you. Okay. And then what happens at that point is when they start raising you, they basically, you came into this world with all this truth and all this love, and then they throw a bucket of bleach over top of you washing you away of all that stuff. And then they teach you all the lies and that deception and this world.

Well, 

[00:10:59] Paul G Newton: I, I do know [00:11:00] that. Look, if I may share with you my story, I have a, I have a story, uh, an experience. Pardon me? Um, I have an experience when I was a kid. Is, is, can I share it with you? 

[00:11:11] Daniel Jackson: Absolutely. Do you mind if I lay down and put my head in your lap? Um, 

[00:11:16] Paul G Newton: I'm I'm Daniel. It's great. And all it, I don't think we'll that get friends.

You're great. Right? Okay. Maybe in the future, not promising anything. Anyhow. You never know. um, so I used to think that there was something, how old were you when this happened? Ah, I was 11. 

[00:11:36] Daniel Jackson: Yeah. Still 

[00:11:37] Paul G Newton: PR apart. Um, I used to think there was something following me around and I used to think it was in my bedroom and I was like, who told you it?

Wasn't nobody. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I got this thing. I don't, it can't be here. It can't be here. So I went and bought a fake, [00:12:00] uh, uh, 1911. 45 caliber pistol. Yeah. It was metal. It looked just like the one that Crockett had on Miami vice, which was the big show at the time. Yeah. And, uh, I took that dude and I had it with me in my bed.

You know, it comes around again. I'm gonna get it. I didn't 

[00:12:22] Andrea S: know this story. This is interesting. 

[00:12:25] Paul G Newton: and so one night there, it was it's in the room and I got the gun and I got up and I said, you better get outta here. And I went, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, you know, little kid. And that stopped. I never had that feeling ever again since.

And I think for me as the logical, you know, person getting older, I realize what I did is I. [00:13:00] Pushed that out of my brain and overcame my fear. 

[00:13:08] Daniel Jackson: Absolutely. And that's what people need to do, overcome their fear. Let fear go. Because just think of all the places you might have gone, or people you might have met in your life without any fear in your life, but why do people, oh, I want to ask this guy out, but he might say no.

Well, you know what? There's 7 billion of us out there. You'll find another one. 

[00:13:25] Paul G Newton: that's right. There's enough 

[00:13:27] Daniel Jackson: people out. Yeah. But they, they, they don't go on vacations because of fear. But how did you get all that fear? You were taught that fear? 

[00:13:34] Paul G Newton: Well, I was, you know, I got over that a long time ago. I'm obviously a pretty much an alpha dude.

Uh, I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid of anything. I'm neither mine. I'm smarter. I'm smart enough to know that there's certain things I shouldn't do. 

[00:13:48] Daniel Jackson: Yeah. I'm smart enough to know, not to run out in the middle of the street when there's a lot of traffic, either don't pick a fight with 

[00:13:53] Paul G Newton: the, with, with a, uh, biker.

Uh, that's in the hell's angels because you may beat him up, [00:14:00] but the 42 other PIRs sitting outside the bar, you're not gonna get all of them. Sure, 

[00:14:05] Daniel Jackson: sure. So you, you, you, you figured it out and not every, so that's the thing. Not, not everybody has figured it out, but the reason they haven't figured it out is could because the, the way that the, the world keeps control and power over you is by keeping you confused.

Well, it's interesting 

[00:14:20] Paul G Newton: because I guess I'm the kind of person that no one controls me. Uh, Andrew, tell him what you, oh, you've decided that you were talking to my mom about something and she, she said, 

[00:14:33] Andrea S: what I talked to your mom about 

[00:14:35] Daniel Jackson: a lot 

[00:14:35] Paul G Newton: of stuff. I know. But she said that she, she, she said like, she wanted me to a lot of slogan, 

[00:14:41] Andrea S: something like that.

And you looked at and said, yeah, she keeps saying, are you gonna try to persuade Paul to quit smoking? And I just looked at her and said, he's gonna do what he wants. Right. What 

[00:14:49] Paul G Newton: was my mother's report? She's like, yeah, I know.

[00:14:54] Daniel Jackson: your, mom's a smart lady. 

[00:14:56] Andrea S: So I've got a question. So do course [00:15:00] you do when people pass on, let's just say, do they try to everybody, does, do they try to communicate with the living or do or do some of them do some of 'em don't some of 'em don't care or, you know, do they just decide they wanna hang out with you?

Do they decide they wanna leave? I mean, how does 

[00:15:14] Daniel Jackson: this work? Some spirit wanna be seen most of them. I 

[00:15:18] Andrea S: guess it makes sense. I mean, 

[00:15:20] Daniel Jackson: you kind of, yeah. It's just like anybody else. If you want to talk to people, you will, if you don't want to talk to people, you won't. So 

[00:15:25] Andrea S: what if the living wants to talk to someone who's passed?

Do you ever do that? 

[00:15:29] Daniel Jackson: Well, they can, they can try if they want to, but just because you want to talk to them, doesn't mean they want to talk to you. That makes 

[00:15:34] Andrea S: sense. I mean, it's kind of like a two-way street for communication. So have you ever had yeah, your, 

[00:15:37] Daniel Jackson: your, your mom and dad could be passed away, but if your mom and dad doesn't want to communicate with you because they want to go to heaven and live the life that they wanna live uninterrupted, do you wanna always feel that, oh, you have to be around here just to talk to your kids.

You were my kid for 60 years and you didn't listen to me then, but now you wanna listen to me cuz I'm on the other side. Well, 

[00:15:55] Andrea S: that's true. Everyone's got a different family dynamic, but I was just kind of curious cause you see those people that are [00:16:00] on TV that are like holding on to something of someone that's passed away and they're able to like, and how many 

[00:16:05] Daniel Jackson: times they have to film something to get something on TV?

[00:16:07] Andrea S: Yeah, probably quite a bit. But you know, it's just kind of like, 

[00:16:10] Paul G Newton: I don't believe any of the stuff that's on TV because, because I make TV for a living. That's what I actually do. 

[00:16:17] Daniel Jackson: Right. It takes, it takes hours and hours and hours to get, you know, 60 minute 

[00:16:21] Paul G Newton: show. You want five minutes of dialogue. It's gonna take four hours.

I tell everyone. Yeah. It's minimum for me for answers four hours. If you wanna shoot something. 

[00:16:31] Daniel Jackson: Right. And when people come to me for answers, they want it right then and there. Yeah. And I get it for 'em 

[00:16:36] Andrea S: you get it for 'em right then and there. Yes. How do 

[00:16:38] Daniel Jackson: you do that? I get it for 'em right then. And there how's that process work.

How does that work? Uh, you ask me a direct question and I get you the answer, the issue, the only problem with that is people come to me for an answer from God and I give it to them, but they don't like it. Yeah. Why? Because they don't like the truth. They want their own truth, but sorry, it's still the 

[00:16:54] Paul G Newton: truth.

It's like me when I was talking about that deal earlier about Woodstock 99. Oh, we, I [00:17:00] was like, you were like, oh, but, but, but, and I'm like, but that's the truth, right? 

[00:17:05] Andrea S: Yeah. We were watching the truth. We were watching that and we're like, wow. We were really a very rambunctious 

generation. 

[00:17:11] Paul G Newton: Yeah. Woodstock 99.

They it's on Netflix. We're gonna have love. Love and family and happiness, and we're all gonna make love in the field and be wonderful. And they invited, you made bonfires 

[00:17:22] Daniel Jackson: and blue shit up. Yeah. well, 

[00:17:25] Paul G Newton: they invited him the cause limp biscuit, 

[00:17:29] Andrea S: limp biscuit cannot Quander peace and love and happiness. See it's li biscuits first.

Absolutely not. It was all about let's let the world 

[00:17:36] Paul G Newton: burn. Yeah, that was, that was our 

[00:17:37] Daniel Jackson: generation Durst is about how many times he can get into the Playboy mansion. That's what he is about. 

[00:17:42] Paul G Newton: and how much money he can make when he goes in. Yeah. Uh, but that's, you know, I mean, you gotta have that mindset if you're gonna be the biggest pop star rockstar.

Well, where does he know? Well, yeah. Where is he now? It's it's a good question. Well, he made all his money and quit. I mean, that's what the guys in lit did. The, the band [00:18:00] lit, they made a ton of songs, all different kind of genres. And then all of a sudden they hit, they made couple million dollars each and they quit and said, forget it.

And going, and one guy went on to do MTV or something like that. Or E it's like, they just wanted to make money. 

[00:18:15] Daniel Jackson: They didn't, what was their big hit? Uh, my own worst enemy or something. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:18:19] Paul G Newton: Yeah. Love that song. It was a good song and I liked that entire album came 

[00:18:23] Daniel Jackson: in through the window. Yeah. Awesome.

parked my car in the yard. So we all, all came in through the, well, some of us came in through the window. You like, we call that cesarean. So 

[00:18:33] Paul G Newton: so, so how, but it. Do you are the answers given to you whispered to 

[00:18:42] Daniel Jackson: you? How do you get these answers? Um, I hear them in my mind. I, I hear them to the point now whether that, that my own thoughts are no longer my own thoughts.

I'm only about 15% made the other 85% is them. So when I, when something comes in. I feel it as though it's my own thought, but it's not because I know it's not my own 

[00:18:59] Andrea S: thought. [00:19:00] So what, like tens of thousands of voices are coming into your head. How do you weed out who's for what conversation? 

[00:19:06] Daniel Jackson: Uh, because the ones that are answering me are what we refer to as arc angels are not men with wings that don't have a shield and sword are not fighting battle one heaven and all that stuff.

That's who I, I mean, other spirit do talk to me on a frequent basis, but they talk to me about regular things. But the, the, but the, what I get these answers are, are to help people to further themselves in their lives and help them to move forward in their lives and let of, of all the bullshit that's in their lives.

So 

[00:19:31] Andrea S: have you ever gotten like sinister spirits 

[00:19:33] Daniel Jackson: talking to you? Uh, yeah. They talk to me all the time. I see them. I see them as well. And when they come through, they actually glow red. So like 

[00:19:40] Andrea S: malevolent, like 

[00:19:42] Daniel Jackson: they're just negative energies. That's all, they're, they're not demons and devils and all that stuff that people, again, people want to tell you how to live your life, the way they want you to live.

They want you to believe in demons and devils and stuff like that. but the, but the thing about that is the spear who are on that side because they are pure energy. They can, [00:20:00] if you, if they move an ashtray across the floor or, or across the table, something like that. The people who taught you to think of demons and devils, you will now think of a, Demonn just moved that across the room and the way that they communicate with each other is telepathy.

So now they can read your mind because that's how they get, you communicate with them because you all, we all know how to do that because we are all spirit. We all have spirit within us. Now you are a soul, you don't have a soul, but your soul, that's your way. Your soul is used to used to communicating.

But when you get something in that, and it tells you Demonn or devil, and you think about Demonn or devil, well, they can get into your mind and see that you're thinking about Demonn and devil. They can manipulate themselves into a Demonn and devil, and then they come through into our realm and then they scare a shit outta you.

And what's that do that produces negative energy of which they need to feed off of, to further themselves in the realm that they are in. And that's the only reason don't they're not gonna make your head spin around and make you spit out P soup and no ones possessed. 

[00:20:59] Paul G Newton: I love [00:21:00] the P soup though. 

[00:21:01] Daniel Jackson: Well, but no, Tastes great, but doesn't look so good.

[00:21:06] Andrea S: I mean, I come from a Jewish, a Jewish background, so we, it's not good for you. We are a little bit different in some of our beliefs. You know what you are. 

[00:21:16] Daniel Jackson: Okay. You're just like me. You're human. That's what you are. You're human. Yeah. We're all human. That's you are. Yeah. Yeah. We're all humans. We, the only thing is we all live in this world.

No one's going anywhere anytime soon. So we better start to get along with each other before we annihilate each other. We're human living, the, the human experience. What doesn't make a difference. If you're black, white, yellow, red, green, purple, or anything, you're human. And we need to figure that out and we are not, 

[00:21:44] Paul G Newton: well, I mean, that's how I've always lived and we're all the same in, we are all the same.

We all 

[00:21:50] Daniel Jackson: have different. Nice between you. Me, Paul. Um, lemme say look. Yeah, nothing. 

[00:21:54] Paul G Newton: I, no, I've got, uh, I've got, I, I, I got a few extra fat cells than you do. Uh, 

[00:21:59] Daniel Jackson: so do I [00:22:00] bunch more. Oh my gosh, Paul, I used to be, yeah. I used to be really big Paul. I was like 350 pounds. I had Morins in a Chinese phone book. I was huge, but still, oh my God.

Yeah. I went to vegetarian and. For 25 years, I lost 150 pounds in the first year. Good for you vegetarian the snow? Well, I, I, I stopped being a vegetarian, like back in 2017 because the food is so overprocessed. So I went back, I, I ate some, uh, probiotics and then soup, and then two weeks later I was at Wendy's getting freaking Baconator now I'm shoveling more meat into my face than an old whore, about two pair than I'm doing.

Oh, wow. Okay.

[00:22:40] Paul G Newton: Yeah. so if

[00:22:47] Andrea S: I got a question, go ahead. Of course you do. What if I wanna talk to someone who's passed, how would somebody go about doing that? 

[00:22:55] Daniel Jackson: Talk to 'em just talk. What do you think they're at? What do you think? They're 3000 miles up in the sky. [00:23:00] Heaven's not 3000 miles in the sky. It's right next to us, but not everyone can see.

And the reason you can't say it is because it would be like a glass wall. And if you saw, well, your relatives on the other side of that glass wall, what would you be doing? You'd be banging the Nu wall, trying to get their attention. What would you not be doing? You would not be living the life that you're supposed to be living.

That's why you don't see them makes sense, but how, but sometimes they are here to se they will, they will show us signs and there'll be a sign that you recognize that your mom or your dad would bring you, but you know what? The problem is, people don't listen and they don't follow through again. Why don't they?

Because they want their own truth and not the actual truth. 

[00:23:38] Paul G Newton: We can't handle the 

[00:23:39] Daniel Jackson: truth. We can't 

[00:23:42] Paul G Newton: that's right, Jack. I couldn't help it. You set me up. So what 

[00:23:48] Andrea S: kind you know? Well, so what kinda signs to the people that pass to give to their loved ones? Maybe these 

[00:23:53] Daniel Jackson: people all depends on what you had in common with your mom and dad that you know, that they can bring for you.

I know what it is. I know what it is. Yeah. Sometimes it's a song [00:24:00] sometimes you, and what happens is you get a repetition of it too. You'll get it. Two or three times. You might hear, you might see, you might see a commercial that has something to do with it, or read it in a book or hear it in a song or something like that.

When you get a couple of times in a row, that's a sign make, can manipulate that thing to do it. The 

[00:24:14] Paul G Newton: biggest sign. I know what it is. 

[00:24:17] Daniel Jackson: Okay. Here's your sign? 

[00:24:19] Paul G Newton: My socks. 

[00:24:24] Daniel Jackson: what's wrong with your socks? 

[00:24:26] Paul G Newton: Live by myself. I do my own laundry. I don't have anywhere that these socks could possibly go. 

[00:24:37] Andrea S: It's the ghost of the 

[00:24:37] Daniel Jackson: microwave.

Oh, the one where the sock disappears. Yeah. 

[00:24:41] Paul G Newton: It's the ghost of the market. I keep losing socks and I'm like, where are they going? It doesn't make any sense. 

[00:24:49] Daniel Jackson: Well, you know, you know, they make these little clips that you can actually clip your two socks 

[00:24:53] Paul G Newton: together. I started putting them in a, in a garment bag when I washed them, because I it's like where the hell are my socks going?

It's 

[00:24:59] Andrea S: a ghost of the [00:25:00] microwave I tell you. But 

[00:25:01] Daniel Jackson: there's 

[00:25:01] Paul G Newton: no. Yeah, but that's like one of the most mysterious things I have ever experienced is that they, they go on the white basket. They go from the white basket to the washing machine. They go from the washing machine to the dryer and they go from the dryer to the blue basket.

And in that process somewhere right there, it, someone steals my sauce. It's a 

[00:25:21] Andrea S: conspiracy. I guess I need to explain the listers. What I mean by the 

[00:25:25] Daniel Jackson: ghost? The Michael. I see, I know the sign for, I, I know the reason behind that sign. Yeah. It's telling you not to be a dry cleaner yeah, 

[00:25:33] Paul G Newton: yeah. Yeah. Well, interesting enough.

That's what my grandfather went to the milk. He went into the Navy to learn, to be a dry cleaner. Did 

[00:25:41] Daniel Jackson: he? Yeah. Obviously didn't rub up on you. 

[00:25:44] Paul G Newton: Well, he didn't make it out of the war. Unfortunately happens. He's at the bottom of the ocean in, uh, the south Pacific. I think it is. Well, his body 

[00:25:54] Daniel Jackson: might be, but he's not.

Well, you know what I'm saying? He doesn't make a difference. If you fall off the [00:26:00] top of a building, get hit by a car. He was in debilitating disease. Get COVID or even suicide, no matter what, we all have something in common. No one dies too early. No one dies too soon. No one dies tragically. No one dies way too young.

We all just. Die, my grandfather there, something else is a facilitation in order 

[00:26:18] Paul G Newton: to die. My grandfather is his, uh, uh, uh, what's the word? Oh my gosh. I'm having problems with my words. I need to start drinking this. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Um,

gosh, my grandfather and his cap form is sitting at the bottom of the ocean, cuz he was on the USS Indianapolis when it was sunk Obama, right? Yeah. And his, all his kids. He's got my mom, my aunt two aunts and my uncle. They were just little bitty kids. So they don't even. 

[00:26:54] Daniel Jackson: yeah. 

[00:26:55] Paul G Newton: You know why he died? Little, little, well, cuz Japanese torpedo to ship, but I'm just saying no, [00:27:00] 

[00:27:00] Daniel Jackson: the bigger reason when it's your time to go.

It just is. I agree 

[00:27:03] Paul G Newton: with that when it's yeah. That's why I've always, I've always said that. Yeah. You know, I, I, I could be dead tomorrow and I've always faced that. I've always known that I could be dead 

tomorrow. 

[00:27:15] Daniel Jackson: You're you're you're my age. Correct, 

[00:27:16] Paul G Newton: Paul? Uh, I was born in 73. 

[00:27:19] Daniel Jackson: I'm I'm 55, you know, so I'm doing good back in the eighties.

Remember that guy back in the eighties, the famous runner Jim fix? No, I don't. Oh, well, Jim fix was the famous runner. He was in super health and all that stuff. And he went out, running for a day, had a heart attack and died. Yeah. And then 

[00:27:34] Paul G Newton: there's the other guy. You can 

[00:27:35] Daniel Jackson: exercise all the hell you want, but just there's 

[00:27:37] Paul G Newton: the other guy who was a big bodybuilder and he's, you know, before, without testosterone and I can't remember his name, but he was a big bodybuilder and fitness expert and he's out running and doing his weights and whatnot.

And the entire time he's doing it, he's smoking cigarettes. And he lived to be like 95. Yeah. So, eh, so when it's your time, it's your time. You're gonna go. And I sense that always known that [00:28:00] one of my mantras is when people ask me, what are you gonna do when you're 90 Paul? When they, you know, they're getting onto me about my weight or my diet or smoking or drinking or having a good time enjoying.

Fucking self, right? When they get onto me about that, I say, I'm when I hit 90, it's gonna be in the paper. It's gonna be all over the internet and it's gonna be a meme. They're like, what do you mean? Because I'm going to put a V8 in my hover round.

that's how I'm 

[00:28:31] Daniel Jackson: gonna go. Yeah. As I always tell everybody, there's, there's two rules in this life. As long as you comprehend the rules and you follow these rules, you're gonna appreciate your life and everyone else's life around you and rule number one, as people die every day and rule number two is you can't change rule number one, when it's your time to go, it just is, I don't care what vaccine you take.

You're going to die. It's not a matter of fifth. Yeah. Interest a matter of what. 

[00:28:52] Paul G Newton: Yeah. And I see one of the things that's always kind of bothered me a little bit with [00:29:00] some of the ways of think. um, about this kind of stuff and, and taught. I, I don't mean to, I'm not gonna, I'm not trying to step on you or anything like that.

I'm, I'm just blunting to the point. You're a little 

[00:29:12] Daniel Jackson: far away to step on me, but go ahead. Yeah. well, 

[00:29:14] Paul G Newton: you know what I mean? Yeah. Um, but, uh, if all this is preordain, then there is no free. 

[00:29:23] Daniel Jackson: There it, there is, you can, you can change your, your, your path a little bit and you can, you can be on the alternative path, but there's a reason for everything.

The reason is that we're here to learn lessons and fulfill a purpose. But if you don't fulfill your purpose, that's why you come back again. We just come back over and over and over again, because we don't fulfill a purpose. 

[00:29:39] Paul G Newton: You believe that we will be reincarnated. 

[00:29:42] Daniel Jackson: Well, you're only Renate for one reason, you're not reincarnated prep, punishment.

You're reincarnated, cuz you don't fulfill your purpose. But your purpose is very simple. We're here to help people just for the sake of helping. Not just because you can, but because you should, but it's gonna be in a physical way. Someone's gonna come up to you and ask you for, you know, I'm lost. Can you help me find a way?

And you can either be [00:30:00] one of those P people who doesn't give a shit about people and says, I hate people and I'm not gonna do that. But guess what? You just keep putting the back over and over again, more than everybody else does because we all come back over and over and over again, because we do fulfill our purpose throughout our lifetimes, but not enough.

They want us to do it in a certain amount of time. But the reason for that is the goal is to learn. So you don't have to come back again, cuz I know a lot of people wanna talk about their past life regressions and all that stuff, but I don't mess with that stuff. And the reason why I don't mess with it, because if your past life was so freaking important, you would've fulfilled your purpose and you wouldn't be here now because everybody else in the world, you look around you, you see the other 7 billion in the world.

They all went to heaven and had to come back just like you. That's what we know, we're all equal. 

[00:30:44] Paul G Newton: So if someone asked you a question, you are telling me that you can find at least a very close answer 

[00:30:56] Daniel Jackson: to that. No, I don't find an answer. I get the answer. Ask her a [00:31:00] question. What do you wanna know? 

[00:31:00] Paul G Newton: Okay. I'll do it.

I'll bite. I don't have a problem with that. Um, my grandmother on my mom's side was the one person who did not want to leave. So I figure if there's anybody sticking around to talk to her family, it would be my grandmother. The other ones probably just said, you know what, I'm out by. Cuz I know my dad's family and they're they were like, man, really I'm good.

We're we're fine. But my grandmother, the reason she lived to 102 is because she did not want to leave her family. She has no choice in that. I know. But her, you said that she had a choice when, if she could stick around and talk to you or go into 

[00:31:40] Daniel Jackson: heaven. Well, no she is she. Yeah. Well the, the choice to go to heaven is just a choice.

That's all. But you either, you either stay here as an earthbound spirit or you crossover that's your choice. Yeah. 

[00:31:49] Paul G Newton: And, and if there's anybody in my family that's gonna do that, they would've been her just because she didn't wanna leave in the first place. So right. Um, 

[00:31:57] Daniel Jackson: she didn't wanna leave her human life, but when, where she [00:32:00] is now, she understands what that human life was all about.

Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. She's not coming back either. This is, that was her last 

time. 

[00:32:07] Paul G Newton: Okay. She was very kind person. She lived she's she lived in the dust bowl. She, she always helped out whatever she 

[00:32:15] Daniel Jackson: possibly could. And then absolutely. No that you're actually telling me the truth as well. Cause I get touched on my face for yes and no answers.

And you're telling me yes, as you're talking to me, they're touching my face. I know where, which ones are. Yes and no answers. Yeah. 

[00:32:26] Paul G Newton: And, and her name was Virgie. And um, I just hope that she got to meet her, got to, got to go back and at least see my grandfather again, 

[00:32:38] Daniel Jackson: you see everybody because you know where everybody, because that's where you originally came from.

You didn't come from here, you come from there. You just come here to learn lessons. Okay. 

[00:32:46] Andrea S: So what about kids that are adopted? They don't really know. They, them, they don't really know who their family is. Their biological family is to there. 

[00:32:54] Daniel Jackson: They know, but when you get back home, you know them there, but everyone's related you and I are both related Andrea [00:33:00] to each other.

Cuz that's where we come from. You don't come from he. 

[00:33:03] Paul G Newton: So what he's saying is that. in the ether, in the ether. Okay. Okay. Everybody knows each other and it, and, and if you go to the Christian Bible and I know you don't necessarily like the Christian Bible, uh, it's not that I like it. I just know it's a lie.

So go ahead. But in the Christian Bible and in the Torah, it says that once you die all will be revealed. So what he's saying absolutely, exactly what the Bible says. 

[00:33:28] Andrea S: So you're saying my dad that passed he'll 

[00:33:30] Daniel Jackson: know who his born is. I've never read a Bible. Yes. I've never read one. I 

[00:33:33] Andrea S: absolutely hope that's true.

At least for him. That's what 

[00:33:36] Daniel Jackson: it does say that, what was that about your dad? He was adopted 

[00:33:40] Andrea S: as a child. 

[00:33:41] Paul G Newton: He doesn't know who his real natural mother or father is. Oh, they does now. Well, yeah, he does now. Sure he 

[00:33:47] Daniel Jackson: does. Yeah. He knows his one. True father. You mean God? Yes. Okay. That's not his real name, but. well, or yeah, everybody's gonna, or

Yeah. That's not his real name because that's [00:34:00] just the name that we give them to, to be recognized by, but we can't actually pronounce their own name because their, the real name is more of a sound vibrational thing. Just like all the arc angels. I mean, Michael or Rael Auriel. That's, that's not their real names.

We can't pronounce their real names because we have a voice box and they are sound vibrational being, and that's 

[00:34:18] Paul G Newton: in the Bible as well. It also says that other name 

[00:34:20] Daniel Jackson: Jewish have never read the Bible Jewish 

[00:34:22] Andrea S: people. Typically, when we talk about God, we only have a certain term for it in, in service, because we don't say his name.

We're not supposed to 

[00:34:29] Daniel Jackson: you. Can't right. You 

[00:34:30] Paul G Newton: can't say his name. Don't actually know God's, name's that's even has name. 

[00:34:34] Daniel Jackson: That's a human name. The, the, 

[00:34:36] Paul G Newton: the, I mean, it's what you're saying is actually tracking a lot of what you're saying is tracking with the, with the old Testament. Uh, is it? Yeah, it is. Don't I've never read it.

[00:34:46] Daniel Jackson: Well, it, 

[00:34:47] Paul G Newton: as a bit of research, you may consider just looking at a chapter 

[00:34:51] Daniel Jackson: or two. No, I don't need to, if I need answers, I asked the Arcan told and they give it to me. What I meant was 

[00:34:56] Paul G Newton: way you can see another human's aspect and to see [00:35:00] maybe it's not so bad that somebody believes in Christianity who won't talk to you about these things and learn from you.

They're kind learning the same thing from the, the old Testament or, or the Torah or the Koran, because the Koran and then the Koran. Is a culmination and a reinterpretation, in my opinion, not saying it's a fact of the Torah. So 

[00:35:26] Daniel Jackson: it's just another interpretation of another book who said another interpretation of another book.

Yes. You know, I agree. Remember how they came out with that one Bible and then they, then this, this other guy, he didn't like the Bible. Yeah. So he changed it. You know, they called them king James, and now they have the king James Bible and everybody follows that Bible, but it's not the real Bible. He wanted to get a divorce.

The correct one. None. No, 

[00:35:45] Andrea S: no. It's not king James that wanted to get a divorce that was under the 

[00:35:47] Daniel Jackson: eighth Henry. The, he didn't like it. So he, well, why did 

[00:35:49] Paul G Newton: king James to come out with his own Bible? 

[00:35:51] Daniel Jackson: I think don't as well as the, as, as well as the true Bible, doesn't have all the stories about Jesus. Why? Cuz they don't want you to real really know that he, that [00:36:00] not only was he a divine soul, but we are all divine souls because he was doing regular things like other people do.

But they wanna hide that. I think 

[00:36:08] Andrea S: I don't quote me on this I've I think I vaguely remember in my history that I think king James wanted to put it in. English for the first time. 

[00:36:17] Paul G Newton: Oh yeah. Yeah. The Catholic. He wanted to change it. He did change it though. He 

[00:36:21] Daniel Jackson: did 

[00:36:21] Andrea S: change it, but I wanted to say he didn't like that person put it in English.

He was thinking a divorce is what I was saying. No, Henry, no. That's Henry the eighth. He got, he got like two divorces. He, Catherine of Vega was divorced. 

[00:36:33] Daniel Jackson: He just killed her. He kills chopped heads up. We're divorced. 

[00:36:38] Paul G Newton: You don't have to divorce them 

[00:36:39] Andrea S: if they're dead. And Bo lost her head. Jane Seymour died. 

[00:36:44] Daniel Jackson: Head off Jane 

[00:36:45] Paul G Newton: Seymour.

She was in that TV show. 

[00:36:47] Andrea S: Oh, hush. It's not her. Oh, uh, it was Catherine Howard lost her head and Catherine par basically she was a widow if I remember correctly. [00:37:00] 

[00:37:01] Daniel Jackson: Okay. I know what they all have in common right now. What? They're dead. They're all dead. yeah. 

[00:37:08] Paul G Newton: so, yeah, what's the difference? I would wanna know if my grandmother, I would wanna know.

If my grandmother in her new found knowledge thinks that I'm doing things the correct way or the wrong way. 

[00:37:26] Daniel Jackson: Do you want, so do you want to, so you wanna know if she thinks you're doing things in the correct way? Yeah. 

[00:37:31] Paul G Newton: I'm still gonna do it my way. 

[00:37:33] Daniel Jackson: Answer's no, the answer's 

no. 

[00:37:35] Paul G Newton: Okay. I wonder how you find out what 

[00:37:37] Daniel Jackson: she wants.

They don't, they don't get, they don't become super beings. Now when they die, they know more, they are aware of more still who they are become, what, what we would consider angel type, uh, knowledge, that type of thing. But they're still who they 

[00:37:51] Paul G Newton: they're still who they are though, right? Yeah. They, 

[00:37:53] Daniel Jackson: they are still who they are actually.

Yeah, 

[00:37:55] Paul G Newton: my grandmother, she, she would want me, she, she wanted me to do everything different, so yeah, [00:38:00] 

[00:38:00] Daniel Jackson: she did. And she still thinks that way. 

[00:38:02] Paul G Newton: You know, I'm Paul. Hi, have you met me? 

[00:38:06] Andrea S: so how specific of a question do people typically ask you? Do they get like real nitty gritty 

[00:38:11] Daniel Jackson: specific? So I'll give you an example.

And I put this in my book, so I had this one guy, uh, I'll just say his real name, but his, his first name, but I didn't actually mention any names in the book. His name was Jeff and he came to me because his psychiatrist recommended him to me. And, uh, so he came to me and wanting to know about a job that he wanted to get.

Uh, and he said he wanted me to talk to my people. Okay. Uh, because he was Buddhist and he didn't believe it. I was talking to spirit, but he said, it's okay if I talk to my people and I said, alright, what kind of job do you want to get Jeff? And he said, well, I'm thinking about either becoming a, uh, a social worker or an auto mechanic.

And I, and I said it to him in this way. And he didn't pick up on it. I said, well, You're already good at being a social worker. And you've been doing that for a while and, but it doesn't fulfill you. It doesn't, it doesn't give you the, [00:39:00] the, the, the satisfaction that you actually need, uh, because you know, you help people and stuff like that, but you don't, but it doesn't really fill you up.

I said, so what you need to do is become an auto mechanic. And he said, really? I said, yeah, you need to become an AUM comic. But I, I, but then I said, you know what? I need to hold your hand because I need to see who's here with you. And he said, all right. So I took a look around. I said, and I, I saw this guy and I couldn't get a name, but, uh, he, he, uh, showed himself to me.

So I, I said, Hey, Jeff, there's this guy here. And I, I described him. He's like, I think that's my brother. And I looked at the guy and I said, you, his brother. He said, yeah. I said, yeah, that's your brother. And I said, your brother is here for you to be the auto mechanic because your brother was also mechanic.

He liked to work on cars, but he was a mechanic. I said, what did your brother do? He said, well, he was in the Navy and worked on ships. I said, he's, he's a mechanic. Correct? He said, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess he is a mechanic. I said, yeah, your brother's here to help you to make those decisions to help you do, to follow through with his mechanic stuff.

And, and he said, okay. And, and he said, but, uh, he said, you know, I just signed up for this course to be a mechanic. And I [00:40:00] said, well, uh, I said, what I want you to do today, Jeff is I want you to call them today. And he said, well, yeah, cuz you know, they told me that they didn't think I was gonna get into the course, cuz I, I signed up a little late and I said, I want you to call them today.

When you get done with this, with this interview here, that we're having this talk. I want you to give them a call today. And uh, he said, well, I wanted to let you know that I'm already a social worker. I said, yeah, Jeff, you remember the part where I said, you're already good at it. He said, I didn't pick up on that.

I said, yeah, cuz you're not paying attention, Jeff. I said, but here, here's what I want you to do. When you get done with this reading, I want you to call them today. So if we got done with the reading and he left and then he called me back up about an hour later, he said, Hey Daniel, I just want to let you know.

He said, I got into that class. I said, yeah, Jeff. I said, but what was the special part about it? Jeff? He said, what do you mean? I said there was a special part about them calling you. Correct? He said, yeah, I actually had my phone turned off. And because they actually left me as a message on my phone while I was in the middle of the reading.

And what they told me is they were calling everybody because [00:41:00] they had one open spot and whoever it answered the phone first, they would give it to and they gave it to me. I said, yeah. And I can't make this shit up, Jeff. Hmm. He wouldn't have called them. 

[00:41:12] Paul G Newton: So not my grandmother. So how do you know how, how so I've been.

[00:41:19] Daniel Jackson: Right. So all you have to do is say something about them and then they'll start telling me, what do you mean? I don't even have to know who your grandmother's name is. 

[00:41:26] Paul G Newton: Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. So let's, 

[00:41:29] Daniel Jackson: let's move on from grandma because they're connected to you because they're connected to everyone.

Yeah, 

[00:41:33] Paul G Newton: yeah, yeah. Let's move on from grandma. And, uh, let's just more, cuz grandma may have more knowledge now, but she's very, very, very old school and probably wouldn't want, I don't know. I, I, I, I, I wanna know 

[00:41:50] Daniel Jackson: they see things differently. Huh? They see things differently. 

[00:41:53] Paul G Newton: Yeah. Um, so I've always been trying, I've been trying to make [00:42:00] feature films as my primary job.

I know for a, yes. You have very long time 

[00:42:06] Daniel Jackson: getting, getting touched. Yes. 

[00:42:08] Paul G Newton: And, um, I've never been able to do it. 

[00:42:12] Daniel Jackson: You're not going to either. Do 

[00:42:15] Paul G Newton: they know why? But while you're ahead, 

[00:42:16] Daniel Jackson: do they know why ahead? Why? Because it's not meant for you to do because you won't reach enough people doing that. Hmm, good. 

[00:42:27] Paul G Newton: What am I supposed to do?

That's the question? 

[00:42:33] Daniel Jackson: What do you do here? 

[00:42:35] Paul G Newton: I make films. What are you doing right now? I'm I talk, I bla my bla my lips until podcast. 

[00:42:44] Daniel Jackson: Right? You open up their eyes, you open their hearts and you open up their minds and you get them to think because we have stopped thinking. That's true. That is 

[00:42:53] Andrea S: very true.

That's very 

[00:42:54] Paul G Newton: true. People don't think anymore. They're just 

[00:42:59] Daniel Jackson: [00:43:00] people that way. You're not gonna have time to make a film. 

[00:43:04] Paul G Newton: as long as I'm making cash and being able to do what I enjoy. I'm cool with it. I don't you know, 

[00:43:10] Andrea S: so what, so what should I do for my job? 

[00:43:13] Daniel Jackson: I don't know. What do you do? 

[00:43:15] Andrea S: I'm a CDI specialist manager for a hospital.

I'm a nurse by trade 

[00:43:21] Daniel Jackson: and my wife was a nurse. She's a registered nurses. She retired now. Um, I'm just asking, I'm asking if you should get out of that. They're telling me no. Okay. No, you're, you're fine. Okay. Oh, did you, um, let me see, let me ask him something real quick. You're on number, uh, 28, which isn't too bad.

That's pretty average between 20 and 29. What's 28. Now she's on her 28th lifetime. She's been here 27 other times. She's had 27 other sets of moms and dads, brothers, and sisters, dogs and cats. Interesting [00:44:00] 27 other astrological signs. That mean absolutely bullshit because that has to do with your body and not your soul, your soul wasn't born under stars because start that whole star, uh, astrological stuff is, is useless because we decided to look up in their stars and go, oh, you know, if you connect this dot and this dot and this do it makes us fish.

Whatever. Yeah. 

Yeah. 

[00:44:19] Paul G Newton: Never. That's what you never befriend of Pisces. That's all I know. Yeah, right? Yeah. 

[00:44:23] Daniel Jackson: No, all that stuff. It's because you've been here 28 times. So you've been different astrological signs, but no, one's actually been actually, uh, one particular astrological sign because the original calendar of everything started at five months.

Then it went to nine months then to 10 months and then to 12 months. So yeah. So maybe you were too astrological science. No, you weren't nothing. You just came into this world as a human. All right. How many can, can you, yeah, you you've been here, but this is what you're supposed to be doing. Okay. Because you do help, even though you do a different line, you're not in the, in the trenches of things, but you do things for people that other people can't do.

Andrea. Well, [00:45:00] that's 

[00:45:00] Andrea S: got some truth to that. I mean, what I do is that 

[00:45:03] Daniel Jackson: there's a lot of truth to it. It's not because. People can't figure it out, you know? So they need people that are behind the scenes taking care of everything else so that they can do their jobs of helping, helping, physically helping it's 

[00:45:16] Paul G Newton: like me trying to make films.

I kind of need a crew if I'm gonna make an actual film instead of having to do it all my fucking self. 

[00:45:24] Daniel Jackson: So no, you can make films all the time. People do all the time. They call it porn does it really help anybody? Are you inviting me 

[00:45:31] Paul G Newton: again? 

[00:45:32] Daniel Jackson: What? Oh my God. I'm 

[00:45:35] Paul G Newton: yeah. So, so she's 

[00:45:36] Daniel Jackson: been around 27. Make any films that have any real meaning to it?

I 

[00:45:39] Paul G Newton: know it's all cooking hundreds, shit. These days. I'm with you on that. So you're she's she's on 27. What am I on? 

[00:45:47] Daniel Jackson: No, she's on, she's on 28, but she's on 20 live 27 lifetimes. What am I on you? Um, man, this sounds bad. You're screw ended up 1 [00:46:00] 33. Average average times I get between people is easily between 26 and 29 times 33 is not so great.

[00:46:11] Paul G Newton: That's okay. Maybe I enjoy being here. Who knows? Okay. I got, you know, you, 

[00:46:17] Daniel Jackson: you really don't I 

[00:46:18] Andrea S: got a question. 

[00:46:20] Daniel Jackson: What, how did I think 

[00:46:21] Paul G Newton: answer for that part? I think one of those times I was in world Wari though. He wasn't who 

[00:46:26] Andrea S: answered you? Who answered you for that? 

[00:46:28] Daniel Jackson: Jesus.

Okay. You have like touch me right in my face. I know how many I, I get touched on my face for yes and no answers, but the very beginning was two I'm getting touch touched by two arch angels. I'm up to 37. I knew all their names and who touched me. And that one was right down to the center of my face.

That's Jesus. So what happens 

[00:46:49] Andrea S: to a person that actually doesn't take breath? They're still born. What happens to 

[00:46:55] Daniel Jackson: them? There's no soul. There's no soul, no soul, no life. [00:47:00] So they don't exist. No, it's just a dead body. He 

[00:47:04] Paul G Newton: he's saying that the soul of these people still 

[00:47:07] Daniel Jackson: there, Gary was not going to make it. So it left.

[00:47:09] Paul G Newton: Yeah. Yeah. So the soul of the person still there in, in ether, but the body never inhabited body. 

[00:47:17] Daniel Jackson: So what happened still? Their soul went back home. They never went back home. 

[00:47:21] Andrea S: So I had a child that passed away. She never, she was still born. So you're basically telling me that she's her soul is where 

[00:47:32] Daniel Jackson: home.

Home or this again, if she needed home, home, meaning 

[00:47:35] Andrea S: life, meaning like with God home. 

[00:47:38] Daniel Jackson: Yes. Home heaven, heaven. Okay. We call heaven. That's all. Okay. Okay. That's it. It's it's it's not meant, I'm not saying it in the, to say your, your, your child was soulless or anything. No. The soul saw that the body was not going to make it and it left because the soul comes into the body.

At the actual time of being born. [00:48:00] It's not sitting inside of the body. The, the body has to be created first. And when it sees, it's watching and watching and watching, and when it's time to be born and deceased, it's happens in a split second and it sees this. Body's not gonna make it I'm out. Hmm. Well, 

[00:48:14] Paul G Newton: and again, the, the, the old Testament talks about the children who never made it.

So you're, you're, you're, you're tracking along with it really closely and I've never read a Bible. Yeah. And, uh, the, the, the, the children, it says, don't worry about the unborn. Right. They've never had a chance to sin. Yeah. To sin. They've never had a chance to be outside there with me. Right. Sure. And that's what it says.

So, you know, don't ever worry about 

[00:48:42] Daniel Jackson: the people get mad when I say that, but I'm not saying it anything against you. It wasn't your fault. It wasn't no one's fault. It's just that Bonnie was not because we, we live in foible bodies. We just are, how do we know we get 

[00:48:55] Paul G Newton: cancer and stuff, stuff like, so I got a question though.

I, I got a real question and, and I'm putting to [00:49:00] remember what you said. You said you have a lot of real questions. Um, you said to me, it's a few minutes ago that we are put here for a reason. And a lot of times, if not all the time, cuz I, I wanna, I'm not sure. I'm not clear about what you told me. You're here for a reason 

[00:49:17] Daniel Jackson: everyone is.

And that 

[00:49:18] Paul G Newton: is to physically help people. Yes, I have done that and I just automatically do that all the time. You do? Yeah. But yet I'm on my 

[00:49:30] Daniel Jackson: thirties. Worry. This is your, this is your last time Paul. You're done. I don't know. 

[00:49:34] Paul G Newton: Now you done, I've done it before I would. That's my soul. I know my soul, my soul is a helpful person.

I want to help because that's the right thing to do. 

[00:49:47] Daniel Jackson: Right? The last time you were here, you didn't just, you didn't do it enough this time, your soul figured out, I gotta get this right. Is a quota. It's, it's sort of a quota. They just want us to do it because [00:50:00] we're learning to do it. 

[00:50:02] Andrea S: So what happens to the soul of say some pretty bad people?

Like, I don't know, Ted Bundy, or 

[00:50:08] Daniel Jackson: they go the same place you do 

[00:50:10] Andrea S: John WY. So if I, whenever I pass on, I'm gonna be hanging out and heavy with Ted Bundy 

[00:50:15] Daniel Jackson: because you're, it's a soul because when you cross over into the light, the willingness to wanna crossover, let's go of all the pain, anger. So grief, guilt, anguish, and all that stuff that you learned how to have here.

You just turn return back to being a white light, loving soul. I'm not saying that Hitler is not coming back again. He is, but he's not here. He's in heaven. And I know people don't, but we look at the body and that's all we look at. And that body has a lot of free. And that that soul did not complete the purpose that it needed to do, which was help people well, more than likely Hitler does not have.

He also only choice to not cross into heaven. He could have stayed here as an earthbound spirit and hang, hang onto that pain anchor star Greek, more than likely 

[00:50:56] Paul G Newton: he was reincarnated and said, uh, you're you're gonna have to do this at least 10 more [00:51:00] times before we could even consider letting you in. Well, 

[00:51:03] Daniel Jackson: me.

I, I get you, but no, he hasn't come back yet. When he's coming back 

[00:51:07] Andrea S: soon, I have a really hard time with that, considering that he like obliterated half the Jewish race, if in world war II just, oh yeah, I, I 

[00:51:14] Daniel Jackson: get that, but, but it's just, it's not punishment again. It's just like everybody else. I mean, there, there are lots of murderers in this world, but some of them cross over some of them, don't he?

[00:51:25] Andrea S: Well, what's the defining line and who crosses over and who does it? Cuz no offense. I think Hitler needs to be the it's the choice, the bottom of the pool in a chefs pool of his own hell as to what he did to yeah, well 

[00:51:34] Daniel Jackson: it's, it's your choice. He's not in hell though. Cuz there's no such place as hell. well thing as a devil either.

[00:51:40] Paul G Newton: And, and, and you gotta remember, you told me that the hell doesn't exist in the Torah. 

[00:51:43] Andrea S: No, it does not 

[00:51:44] Daniel Jackson: exist in the Torah. So there is no such place as hell. The only people, the Torah doesn't exist. Believe there is a hell. It's the ones who want to tell you how to live your life. Cause they wanna be able to torture you here and want you to feel like you're gonna be tortured there as well.

If you don't do what they tell you to do, which is [00:52:00] meaning, if you don't tell what they do, what they tell you to do, you're breaking the rules. You know, you've heard it before. It's called sin. No one sins, but they want you to think you're sinning so they can have control over you. I 

[00:52:11] Paul G Newton: don't know, man. I, I would say killing another person would be if there's no sin, there should be.

And that should be the, that should be one rape. That should be another one. 

[00:52:19] Andrea S: Well, what's the purpose of the 10, a commandments then 

[00:52:22] Daniel Jackson: of that case? Well, there's no such thing as a 10 command. God doesn't need to command you. 

[00:52:25] Paul G Newton: It's the 10 commandments are not something that he believes in, so. Okay. That makes 

[00:52:29] Daniel Jackson: sense.

No, so yeah, cause the Bible is bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. The, the God does not need, need to command you. God doesn't need to judge you, you judge yourself a thousand times a day. Why does he need to do it once more? Because he doesn't. 

[00:52:42] Paul G Newton: Well, Hmm. So if I'm, so if I'm on my 33rd, I do. Am I on my 33rd or 34th? 33rd, 33rd.

If I'm on my 33rd, could that life that I had before be 10 [00:53:00] minutes long, 10 years long or a full life. 

[00:53:04] Daniel Jackson: Well, oh, depends on what a full life is to you. 

[00:53:07] Paul G Newton: Well, I'm just meaning I die at old age. 

[00:53:09] Andrea S: Well, what do, what do you do after your 33rd? Where does 

[00:53:12] Daniel Jackson: he go? I don't know. That's his choice. He either walks into the light or he doesn't.

Well, I hope he walk into the light. If you walk into the light, he won't come back for that reason because he's in a place that would not send him back. But you would just remain here with all the other earthbound spirits that are here. And most of them are miserable. So all of them are lost, but most of them are miserable.

So 

[00:53:33] Andrea S: how would they be able to tell with someone that we're close to, that they're an earthbound spirit that they pass on? How would we you'd 

[00:53:39] Daniel Jackson: have to ask me? Oh, okay. Because I will reveal something to you that you've never heard from any other, other medium ever, because they don't have it. And only I do only you only me because it only needs to be won.

Okay. 

[00:53:56] Paul G Newton: All right. 

[00:53:57] Daniel Jackson: All right. When you wake up outta your body, [00:54:00] you're gonna look down at your body and go, Hmm. I guess I don't need that anymore. You're gonna take a step to the left. You're gonna look to the right. And the light's gonna turn on for you. That's just the light into heaven that shows you where to go.

Okay. It's and then you either walk in, or you don't. But either way, if you walk in, it turns off when you don't, it turns off. So, but be beyond that light, there's always one other light that shines all the time and the light that shines all the time. So all because even though you are irk down spirit, you can cross over any time that you want to.

You just have to have the willingness to want to do that. But most of 'em don't wanna do that, cuz they know a lot of times there's a possibility they might have to come back and maybe they don't want to. Cuz you might walk out, you might wake up outta your body this time, Paul and go 33 lives. And you're gonna get all the memories back from all the 33 lives.

And you might think of yourself if I walk in. I might have to come back again. A lot of them think that way, so maybe they don't want to come back so they will stay here. But that light there's another light that shines all the time. And that light is in a physical body. So they can be here in this [00:55:00] physical world.

It's just another soul. And it shines all the time for one reason so that all spirit can see it and they know where to go. But there's another reason they can hear it too, because when it's speaking in that body, they can hear it again. It's a beacon of life for them to see, to know where to go. And, and because, and that, that spirit is that person is also crossing the spirit over heaven too, because it gives them the option if they want to go.

And if they want to go, it will cross 'em over. But if they don't want to go, they'll just remain here. And that's all that's in that body. It's me. 

[00:55:32] Andrea S: So where's my dad.

[00:55:36] Daniel Jackson: Let me ask real quick.

Yeah, he's crossed over. 

[00:55:43] Paul G Newton: I imagine it, whatever, because I mean, you know, let's, let's, let's, let's assume it's, let's assume that he's absolutely correct. And he knows what he's talking about. Okay. Let's let's I do. Let's not worry about just tearing it apart, but from what you've told me about your dad, that makes [00:56:00] sense.

It 

[00:56:00] Daniel Jackson: does make sense. Yes. Because he was done. He was a decent guy. 

[00:56:03] Paul G Newton: Yeah. He was just done. And he tried his, he tried his hardest to do the right thing and, and he's nice. He's not coming back. He, he tried his hardest to do the BA do the right thing and he just got screwed over all the time. It's true. So I take for him, it's probably like, you know, when I'm out, I'm just, I'm gonna hang out here.

[00:56:23] Daniel Jackson: so can, I'm gonna ask, so can you, I ask him something real quick,

but they're telling me what, every once in a while he shows signs to you that he's still around

that. Okay. You know why he's still around? No. because he's here to be a spirit guide for you. In other words, he shows signs to you and sometimes you pick up on them, but you, you feel him around you a lot of times. And then, and you, you pick up on these signs around you a lot, and the reason you're picking up on it is cuz he's letting you know he's here.

He's trying to help you to make better decisions in your life so that you can come home and [00:57:00] stay home as well. Like home 

[00:57:02] Andrea S: Mike, like heaven 

[00:57:03] Daniel Jackson: home or like my home home. Yeah. Heaven, heaven home. Yeah. When I say home, that's what I mean. Okay. Heaven home. Yeah. Yeah. So he's around you. He's around you. Uh, so in other words, what that means to me is what that should would mean to you is a huge honor, meaning instead of going to heaven, because I see heaven, heaven's a hundred thousand times better and you can ever imagine it is it ain't no book cuz they can't describe it in a book.

Just like God can't be described in one book. Really? Are you freaking that insane? Okay. So, so heaven's a hundred thousand times better. And instead of going there and staying there, he skipped it. So he can be here with you. To help you because that's how much he cared about you. We 

[00:57:41] Andrea S: work very close and his death was sudden, 

[00:57:46] Daniel Jackson: so it's never sudden he just died.

Like everyone does 

[00:57:51] Andrea S: true, but it was sudden to me 

[00:57:52] Daniel Jackson: is what I should say. Well, yeah, because you were taught at sudden, but it's just, he could have been somewhere else and died or it could have been some other time and he [00:58:00] died, but no matter what he died, but he decided to come back and help you. 

[00:58:05] Andrea S: So like, does he, does he know what kind of signs he's giving?

He knows everything. Well, what kind of signs is he trying to give that I'm ignoring? Cuz sometimes, honestly, you know, we're all in our zone in our own little lives 

[00:58:16] Daniel Jackson: and, and that's why you're ignoring them. You're not picking up on them. He's giving them to you, but you're just not picking up on them. 

[00:58:22] Andrea S: So how does one pick up on them?

What do I need to do to pick up 

[00:58:26] Daniel Jackson: on them? Why don't you talk to him? Like is your dad cuz he is okay. That makes sense. He's still here. He's just not this just because he doesn't have a body doesn't mean he's not here. makes 

[00:58:36] Andrea S: sense. 

[00:58:37] Daniel Jackson: So you, he, you do feel his presence around you sometimes. That's true. I do.

And I just, yeah, because he's letting you know I'm here and what he's trying to tell you to do is wake up and listen to be a little bit more and I'll help you. But if you're too fricking busy to do that, well, he can't 

[00:58:53] Andrea S: help you. It's not really just that it's just having, what is that? Well, when you're trying to grieve and [00:59:00] mourn and get past a death to someone that's, he's gone, that is true.

That is 

[00:59:04] Daniel Jackson: true. Everybody's gone. Not everybody. Not 

[00:59:06] Paul G Newton: everybody can handle it that way though. Unfortunately 

[00:59:09] Daniel Jackson: they can't, but they need to learn why they can't handle that way. Cuz you were taught not to handle that. Well, some people 

[00:59:15] Paul G Newton: really do feel grief. You know, it's not a thought thing. I think it's natural 

[00:59:20] Daniel Jackson: to feel grief.

Right? Well, it is natural to grieve over someone, but what happens is they, what do they stop doing? Living the life that they're supposed to be here because the person that has gone is meant to be gone. You're just not meant to be gone yet. 

[00:59:33] Paul G Newton: well, and you know, if grief is it, I think you're allowed to be grief.

You're allowed to feel grief. You're allowed to be sad. Good. I have a friend who's in a motor actually last week. I miss him. Yeah. So that's, you know, I mean, just grieving a little 

[00:59:46] Daniel Jackson: bit. Um, yeah. But are you supposed to grieve the rest of your life? So it's interrupting your life? No, I agree with that. You should.

I agree 

[00:59:53] Andrea S: with that. But sometimes it's just easier to be able to move forward and not have to have that constant [01:00:00] reminder of what you've lost based upon certain memories that are in 

[01:00:03] Daniel Jackson: your face. If he was that kind of person in your life, of course you're gonna have that kind of memories of them. Yeah.

Yeah. So I wouldn't you be positive. They made an 

[01:00:10] Paul G Newton: impact take positive, uh, 

[01:00:13] Daniel Jackson: thoughts. He's trying to make a more, he's trying to make another impact by helping you make good decisions in your life. And, but again, when we get so busy, we think we're so busy, but what are we busy with? We're we're busy with this fake life that we've been taught.

So 

[01:00:26] Andrea S: next question. Can you tell when someone's passed on. . 

[01:00:31] Daniel Jackson: Oh, so you want me to know if, uh, uh, so I can, I can do one better for you. I can tell when someone's lying to me. Because I get touched on my face for yes and no answers. Usually like when I do a reading for someone, I did a reading for these two women one time and I did the one reading and then the next woman comes up and she starts asking me questions.

And, but the first question I always ask is, are they telling me the truth? And she wasn't telling me the truth. And I stood up and I stopped. And I said, look, we can't continue with this reading because you're not asking me truthful questions or [01:01:00] asking me manipulated questions. So you can get your own truth because you wanna have power and control over the woman's sitting next to you.

Ah, and then I said, did a woman next to her? I said, this is your sign. You know, like bill Al, this is your sign. She doesn't really care about you. She just wants to make sure that she has control over you. So there's 

[01:01:15] Paul G Newton: a lot of people out there like that. Yeah. So a 

[01:01:17] Daniel Jackson: lot of people out there like that, and then she'd asked me, she said, how do you know I'm lying to you ask that cuz you can't lie to the fucking medium.

That's how so then, uh, then she started asking me truthful questions, but then when I gave her the answers, you know what she did next, she started humming and I said, are you humming? And I looked at her friend. I said, she humming. She said, yeah, she does that to me all the time. I said, yeah, cause she's blocking you out and now she's blocking me.

How here's your money? Have a great day. I'm just curious. Gotta put up with shit. 

[01:01:41] Andrea S: I'm just curious where my mother is. That's 

[01:01:43] Daniel Jackson: all. Oh boy.

I'm gonna ask you one question. Okay. Or I'm gonna, I'm gonna make one statement to you real quick. Okay. Don't [01:02:00] ask questions. You don't want answers to. Okay. Fair enough. Do you wanna really know the answer? Sure. She didn't cross over. 

[01:02:09] Andrea S: Hi. I, I, we just, she's not exactly a very nice individual, so we have not.

[01:02:14] Daniel Jackson: No. And, and you don't, you don't feel her around you? No, I, she, she may. Yeah. You don't because she's not in a place that she can do that. Yeah. I was just about to say that same thing. She wasn't a very good place. She was, she wasn't in a good place in her life and she was, she was resentful for that because she was resentful for that.

She saw that light and she said, no, and stayed here. 

[01:02:38] Andrea S: So you're saying she's not on this earth or are you saying 

[01:02:43] Daniel Jackson: she's she's earthbound spirit. She's still around, but she's in a, a low negative energy place. Oh, okay. Where's that for Paul 

[01:02:54] Paul G Newton: so he can see me on video and I'm messing with Andrea. Yeah. 

[01:02:58] Andrea S: Paul understands.

My [01:03:00] mother is not a nice person is not been 

[01:03:03] Daniel Jackson: very I'm I'm so, in other words, you're saying I'm correct. I 

[01:03:07] Andrea S: don't know if she's still here alive 

[01:03:10] Daniel Jackson: is she's just walking around. She's just, I guess what 

[01:03:14] Paul G Newton: I'm trying to, she doesn't know if she's actually dead or not. She doesn't know if she's alive or dead because they don't talk to each other ever.

[01:03:20] Andrea S: Yeah. And it's, I have to keep myself away from her because she's not a very good person to be around anymore. I had to make that hard, cold decision as an adult. That 

[01:03:28] Daniel Jackson: she's how long to Ben, since you've been talking to her, I have, I'm not psychic, uh,

God, 

[01:03:36] Andrea S: four or five years, right? Well, no, she used to live with me in the middle of COVID. So bar of 20, 20 that's about two years. Yeah, two years. And I had to make a hardcore decision in order for me to have, 

[01:03:46] Paul G Newton: she was abusing. Literally abusing, 

[01:03:49] Andrea S: not physically, but 

[01:03:50] Paul G Newton: mentally. And I don't know, man. I mean, they're tearing up your stuff.

[01:03:54] Andrea S: So I had to make a hardcore decision that she needed to go. And it's just part of me that always was wondering, like, [01:04:00] I'm never gonna know if she ever passes or not, 

[01:04:02] Paul G Newton: because she's alienated the other members of your family to the point that they won't talk to you anymore. Pretty much. 

[01:04:08] Andrea S: Yeah. 

[01:04:09] Daniel Jackson: But see, but that's the right decision that you made.

That's the correct decision because I don't care if it's your mom, your dad, your brother, your sister, your best friend, your so-called best friend. Cause we all have one of those. If they're not helping you in your life to help you to lift you up and be a positive force in your life, let 'em go. They say, oh, I'm your blood relative.

Blood means nothing. I agree. But 

[01:04:27] Andrea S: there's a part of me that thinks like God, and I've talked to my brother about it. I'm like, we're never gonna know if something, if she dies, we're never going know. And that's what he we'll see 

[01:04:35] Daniel Jackson: her again. Don't worry about it. And that's what you you'll see her when you actually leave.

And she'll probably be right there earthbound. And she'll ask you to stay with her, but you don't have to. But she always has a, she always has a chance to cross over anytime she wants to. But do we know how she died or if she did she died? that's it? Yeah, I'm getting she died. Do we know what she died from?[01:05:00] 

There's it's all that is the facilitation in order for your soul to leave. That's it doesn't make a difference. What they died from. They still just died. Everybody. 

[01:05:08] Paul G Newton: He doesn't hear that, so, yeah. Oh, I'm just curious. He doesn't doesn't get a medical report from the arcade. Well, I, I 

[01:05:15] Andrea S: don't know. I mean, well, with my dad, it was kind of found 

[01:05:20] Daniel Jackson: out later.

It's one of the, it, it's just one thing you die. That's it. I don't care if we get hit by a car, you die. So the suicide, same thing. Suicide is very simple. Suicide is because your body, because the soul takes over because the soul knew it's being called home to heaven. I mean, when you were a kid, Paul and your dad said, Hey, Paul, it's time to come home.

And you were down the end, the street. What did you do? 

[01:05:42] Paul G Newton: Told you went home pissed off. I'm gonna do what I want. Right? That's actually what I 

[01:05:45] Daniel Jackson: did when God said, you want to, you need to come home. You want you go home. So when the soul needs to go home, it goes home. And if it's in a perfectly functioning body, it will make the body do something in order for that body to, 

[01:05:57] Paul G Newton: I don't know, man.

I do what I [01:06:00] want and I will always do what I want. And I don't know, cuz my dad told me to get in the car. I'm like, why? I don't wanna get in the car. 

[01:06:08] Daniel Jackson: I'm you eventually got in the car though? 

[01:06:09] Paul G Newton: Didn't you? Only because he like picked me up. 

[01:06:11] Daniel Jackson: Threw me in. No, you eventually got in the car. So you eventually went.

Because you had to go home. And when your soul has to go home in the same manner that if this soul says you gotta do something so I can get outta here. It may one day say, Hey, you know what, Andrea, get up in the car, go in, go to the mall today. So you do, you wake up and you get in your car and you go to the mall and you get in a car accident, you die.

Same thing, same thing as suicide. The soul took over and makes the body do something in order so that the soul can leave because when it's time to go, it just is, 

[01:06:43] Andrea S: well, what about for the people who sometimes, obviously don't want to do this and are struggling with it in 

[01:06:49] Daniel Jackson: end up doing they're struggling with it because the soul is telling it's time to struggle so we can get the hell outta.

yeah, the soul's in control of everything. We're just not in [01:07:00] control of the soul. So I wanna be because a doc, a doctor can heal your bones and he can heal your heart and stuff like that, but he cannot save your soul. I wanna 

[01:07:08] Paul G Newton: be Narcis. I wanna be narcissistic for a moment. and what do you mean? Just a moment?

Well, no, I'm usually not an narcissistic. Paul, 

[01:07:16] Andrea S: am I gonna have to get out the joke? Paul, get out the psychiatric, what is it? N S D five thingy or whatever they call it to diagnose. 

[01:07:25] Paul G Newton: You don't have to. We all know I'm nuts 

[01:07:28] Daniel Jackson: anyway. Yeah. People got to blame things on everything. because you are taught to blame.

No, I blame. 

[01:07:32] Paul G Newton: I take to blame. I, I, I stand up and say, Nope, I did that. Next I do. 

[01:07:40] Daniel Jackson: I don't feel you call taking the blame. That's called being honest. 

[01:07:44] Paul G Newton: so I'm gonna be narcissistic for a minute. You told me a little while ago. Uhoh you told me a little while ago that I'm what I'm doing is what I should be doing.

And I, what you feel you need to do. I think he is referring to me, [01:08:00] talking into my computer with other people, which is what we're doing. Is that what you said or is, did I take it wrong? Yes. 

[01:08:08] Daniel Jackson: No, you took it correct 

[01:08:10] Paul G Newton: if Deb, but I've done this forever and no one's ever done it. You know why. 

[01:08:17] Daniel Jackson: Because you're good at it.

You do it because you're good at it. You do it because your soul is letting you know, this is what you should be doing. 

[01:08:26] Paul G Newton: I'm so we all know this. If you've met me for more than 10 seconds, even in person, and you know, sometimes people on podcasts and in the entertainment are someone different. Whenever the microphone and camera is off, not me.

I'm still an ass. So that's see, I am this year. That's who I am. This 

[01:08:45] Daniel Jackson: is what I do. That's here. And your human body, not back at home. You're not that way at all. Oh, I betcha your soul's not that way. We don't, we don't hold on to pain, anger. So I agreed. There's no pain and 

[01:08:54] Paul G Newton: anger. I 

[01:08:55] Daniel Jackson: don't care, but all the other anguish and, and having power over [01:09:00] somebody and stuff like that, we all, the 

[01:09:01] Paul G Newton: only thing I'm upset about is the fact that I can't get enough money in my account to pay my bills.

And I'm gonna have to make a decision whether I'm going to move. To uh, uh, 50 miles away or if I'm gonna stay here and, and, and I don't know, suck Dick for a living or something. I'm not sure , 

[01:09:22] Daniel Jackson: that's what I good money or something like that. Yeah, yeah, 

[01:09:24] Paul G Newton: yeah. Gonna deal me some marijuana outside my ice cream truck.

That's what I'm gonna do. That's what you feel you need to do. I gotta get an ICEC cream truck 

[01:09:33] Daniel Jackson: first. Ah, the world's not gonna have you, the world's not gonna let you have a million dollars all the time, 

[01:09:40] Paul G Newton: but no, I, I just wanna pay my bills, you know? I mean, it's, it's, I, I gotta find a, I, I gotta find a better way to make money.

It's really starting to suck. And that's the only thing that I'm upset about. Um, And past that you always gotta 

[01:09:54] Daniel Jackson: be paying bills the rest of your life. As long as you living here on earth, it's 

[01:09:57] Paul G Newton: gotta make more money. Um, [01:10:00] but so, but is, 

[01:10:01] Daniel Jackson: is money the real answer to everything? No. Oh, absolutely. No. I 

[01:10:04] Paul G Newton: hate money.

Money sucks. Yeah. The world 

[01:10:05] Daniel Jackson: wants you to believe that money is the answer, but money's the root of all evil because it's greed because it's power because it's control 

[01:10:12] Paul G Newton: money. To me is a facilitator to do shit that I want to do. Yeah. That's all it is. You need to do it. No, I don't have to. The only thing I need to do is eat, take a shit and sleep and past that.

It doesn't matter. Taxes. Fuck 

[01:10:24] Daniel Jackson: taxes. I agree. But you know, Hey, if you don't make 

[01:10:28] Paul G Newton: any money, you don't have to make taxe at one point. I know, right. Let's not get into that. That's a whole nother hour. 

[01:10:35] Daniel Jackson: Yeah. That's, that's, that's the, uh, people who, who, uh, are in control of this role, 

[01:10:39] Paul G Newton: the controllers. Oh, sure. But as far as the way I act and my attitude and how I do things, it's not a, this, this is just who I am.

And I gave up trying to curtail myself to other people's whims and wishes. Absolutely. Why 35 years ago, I don't, you don't need to care yourself to [01:11:00] anyone. That's, that's why I'm not competitive. Right, because I don't give the shit. If 

[01:11:05] Daniel Jackson: I win or lose, I'm not about sports and all that stuff because it's bullshit.

Because one guy prays, I wanna win the game. The other guy prays. He wants to win the game, but only get one guy wins. Why? Because we made the rules. That's one. Yeah. 

[01:11:15] Paul G Newton: Yeah. The rules are literally are. That's true because I need to 

[01:11:18] Daniel Jackson: prove how good I am. You're good enough to do absolutely anything you want to do in this world.

As long as you have faith. Well, 

[01:11:24] Paul G Newton: you need to prove, I I've always said that the big, one of the biggest lies that have ever been told to children is that you can be anything you want, and that's not true. If you have an IQ of 85 and you wanna be a mathematician or an astronaut, you're not gonna do it.

They're not 

[01:11:40] Daniel Jackson: gonna let that's because they made the rules and they made a measurement. As far as that could be IQ. If you don't have a IQ, doesn't mean you're not smart on int 

[01:11:48] Paul G Newton: 80, you cannot get in the military. 

[01:11:51] Daniel Jackson: Well doesn't mean you're not, not intelligent. Oh, it's just, there's a line that they drew.

That's all. They just have, they come up with the lines and the standards [01:12:00] and all that stuff. 

[01:12:01] Paul G Newton: I I've I've I don't 

[01:12:03] Daniel Jackson: know the, the, the, just because he's a doctor didn't mean he didn't get a C on his oh, 

[01:12:07] Paul G Newton: no. I'd say that's, that's one of my old, that's what of my, my uncle, who was a pediatrician told me that he says, you know what, they call a doctor with three A's and a, B a doctor, you know what they call a doctor with three CS and a D a doctor, a doctor.

Yeah. That's right. So, yeah. I mean, yeah, absolutely. 

[01:12:21] Daniel Jackson: Just because they got, just because they got a piece of paper on the wall that they went to school because they decided to read five more books than you did. Doesn't mean 

[01:12:28] Paul G Newton: they're competent. There's some people that are better at things than others. And you wanna find the very best person to do what you need done to do it for you.

Yeah. And if you can't afford 'em, then you go to the second best person, cuz they're got a little cheap. That's right, 

[01:12:44] Daniel Jackson: because you can absolutely fit in anywhere that you want to. You can just decide to do that. You can walk into a building with a bunch of suits and go, I want to fit in here. I decided to be the CEO, you rule book, but you know what?

You can fit in if you want to. But if you don't want to go find your people, I decided 

[01:12:58] Paul G Newton: to be the CEO of Walmart, but [01:13:00] they said, Hey, yo, we're not gonna listen to you. No, why are you even here? I'm like, I'm the CEO. They're like, no, you're not damn. Yeah, I am. I 

[01:13:08] Daniel Jackson: decided it and you 

[01:13:10] Paul G Newton: go to jail. I am going to do whatever I'm gonna be, whoever I want.

I'm gonna be the CEO of Walmart. I 

[01:13:17] Andrea S: think for as a parent though, you try to encourage your kids. So they don't become lazy asses. So you try to encourage 'em to be able to be what they wanna be. We have to, you 

[01:13:24] Paul G Newton: have to admit that not everybody can be a veterinarian. Not everybody can be a pop star. Not everybody can do this.

You can try though. You can try, but it doesn't mean you're gonna be any good 

[01:13:34] Daniel Jackson: at it. Right? You got, I was a really good drummer, but it didn't mean I was gonna to be a rock star, cuz it wasn't meant for me to be that it was meant for me to be this. See, 

[01:13:44] Paul G Newton: I believe that you're correct on that. That if, if you don't, if, if, if, if you can't, if it's not something that's really, really, really there for you, you enjoy it.

See, I wanted to be, I was a front man in a country band for a long time [01:14:00] and although I enjoyed it, I didn't actually wanna do it. I was really good at it. But I didn't remember really 

[01:14:09] Daniel Jackson: wanna do it. Remember back in the eighties poem, when they would play these heavy metal records backwards and they would get all these satanic messages.

yeah. What do you get when you, when you play a country record backwards, you get your house back, you get your car back. Yeah,

[01:14:26] Paul G Newton: I like that heat song. The best. Yeah, you ain't leaving. Thank God. Are you. You can't be gone fast enough, right? That's the lyric. That's the chorus. Oh yeah. What? This will make my girlfriend happy. She's the one that never thought you would

[01:14:45] Andrea S: Oops. So I got a question. What would you say to someone out there listening that may be able to have your type of talents, but they're, it's not talent. 

[01:14:55] Daniel Jackson: It's just that, it's just, what am 

[01:14:57] Paul G Newton: well, just, that's just vernacular. This is 

[01:14:59] Andrea S: vernacular. [01:15:00] I'm not very good at the vernacular at this. And I'm a little probably blunter than I should be.

But what would you say to people that are able to do what you do out there that are say under the age of 18? 

[01:15:11] Daniel Jackson: Under the age of 18? Yeah, a young person. um, what, the one thing they shouldn't do is start going around, telling everybody, because they will get picked on and they will be told that they are a witch or something like that.

And then it's gonna make it rough for the rest of their life. But, uh, they, they need to fair. They need to have some parents that are going to, uh, encourage this as well, because you know, parents wanna tell you that you're talking to and, uh, uh, you have a, uh, imaginary friend and stuff like that when they don't really know either.

So, uh, but they need to have some parents that are gonna help them because we, you are born with this. This is something that comes through with your soul that came from a perfect place. But yet we wanna tell everybody that it's not because power and control, but they need to continue with us and believe in it because it [01:16:00] is the truth.

And don't let anyone else ever tell you that it's not the. And don't ever believe all the lies that are out there. Okay. Because they are lies right. And follow through and don't stop listening to others and listen to your heart. Listen, and that is your soul. Right. And listen to that and follow through with it.

So Daniel, because it's meant to be Daniel. 

[01:16:25] Paul G Newton: Yeah. What's up to you. Tell us about your book and, uh, where it can be found and where we can, if somebody wanted to purchase your book or, and read it, how can they do. 

[01:16:34] Daniel Jackson: Uh, well, the name of my book is, uh, it says Daniel Jackson on the front and that's called the new beginning.

My awakening is a spirit medium. If you see the picture, uh, I have a picture. It's a man, uh, the silhouette, the back of a man he's walking into a bright white light. Although the new beginning is not about me. It's about people themselves. Uh, but it's a, the story is, is a chronological story of me and how everything happened, uh, to me and for me throughout my life, [01:17:00] from the age of three years old, up until even the present day.

Uh, and then, but the, the, and that's, it's, it's a good story. It's a good cause there was a lot of things or a lot of events that really happened that, uh, that, that were just crazy off the hook. Uh, but then, uh, at the end of the book, there's, uh, chapter 12, uh, it's called the basics and these are 25 channeled messages from my, a from arc angels.

I call them my arc angels, cuz how many of 'em do I have with me? All of them and there's thousands of 'em. We just don't know all their names. Again, we can't pronounce it, but, uh, these are 25 messages of basically what God wants us to know so that we can become better people so that we can help other people to become better people.

So we can treat each other the way we should be treated. You know, it's called respect and we can help each other and share everything in the world. That's what these messages are for. So where can they find your book? Uh, they can find my book on Amazon and all they have to put in is, uh, put in the search bar, Daniel Jackson, the new beginning, my awakening as a spirit, medium put that [01:18:00] whole thing in there and it'll come up and it'll show this picture of it's a black and white cover.

And usually that man walking into the white light, you'll see my name at the top of it. So I've got one last and I sell it for $8. I get $2 off of that. It's not important for me to make a million dollars. Okay. But it is important for me to sell a million books cuz I sure would like to help a million people.

Yeah. 

[01:18:19] Paul G Newton: So let me ask you a question. How many times have you gone on a podcast and people have given you the Stargate joke. 

[01:18:27] Daniel Jackson: Every single time I heard it today. well, Daniel Jackson. Yeah. You're the guy on scar at Stargate, right? Yeah. 

[01:18:33] Paul G Newton: I'm like, I'm not gonna make that joke. I'm not gonna make that joke when I'm gonna let him do as event.

I mean, if I just about getting that joke, 

[01:18:40] Daniel Jackson: right. If I say my full name, Daniel Martin Jackson, but I don't like to use my middle name. I don't like my middle name guitar. Cause I time somebody says Martin, I think of Martin and Martian, but uh, yeah. Yeah. That's 

[01:18:50] Paul G Newton: a good guitar though. 

[01:18:51] Daniel Jackson: Martin or, or, or, or what's his name?

Uh, from the, the back of his future movies. Hey Marty, I don't wanna call that Marty. Ah, Marty FL I have, they always say that [01:19:00] you're the guy from Stargate. Do I look like the guy from Stargate? That 

[01:19:05] Paul G Newton: guy 

[01:19:06] Daniel Jackson: guy doesn't bother me. I think it's kind cool, man. Cause they're, they're sci-fi buff just like me. I like that stuff.

So that, 

[01:19:12] Paul G Newton: that guy is a dead on actor when it came to. Uh, oh my God. He's in the, the blacklist, the guy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He's what's what's what's his name? My Marine can't do it. What's his name? I could picture it. James Spader. Yeah. He is a, he does a dead on James Spader from the first movie. Real. Yeah, it's actually pretty cool.

[01:19:41] Daniel Jackson: Are you there? I, myself could not do a James Spader. 

[01:19:45] Paul G Newton: exactly. So what do you think of? So I got a sign in my wall and, um, it's on my wall and you can't see it on the air. I stopped 

[01:19:55] Daniel Jackson: waiting for the light at the end of the tunnel and it lit [01:20:00] and it lit that bitch myself. that's 

[01:20:05] Paul G Newton: exactly right. So that was gonna, that's funny.

You're gonna say he, did you like my. 

[01:20:10] Daniel Jackson: Uh, yeah, I, I saw parts of it, but I couldn't see. But now that I see the which part. Yeah. That's kind of funny, man. Hey, you got, you know what? I gotta have a sense. If you've seen as many people as dead people, as I seen today, you gotta have a sense of humor. Yeah, for me, it's like being in a, in a room with a thousand people, except nobody leaves and more just keep coming.

I don't know who all they are because I see so many, it's like go, it's like walking through the mall and trying to pick out one person. Good luck. 

[01:20:36] Paul G Newton: Well, I appreciate you being on the podcast. I appreciate you telling us about your book and I, and it's interesting to hear that you've come to a lot of the, you know, I don't know if you've ever heard of natural law, if you've ever heard of that concept.

That's what we, that's what the founders built. The, uh, the bill of rights on was natural, natural law, which correlates no, it's 

[01:20:55] Daniel Jackson: natural law because they created it. 

[01:20:57] Paul G Newton: Well, no, if you could look into natural law, it's [01:21:00] actually, it, it actually. it is, uh, it is interesting. It is interesting. 

[01:21:06] Daniel Jackson: Um, well, the reason I say they created is because God didn't create words, man.

Created words. He gave us movie the mixed sound, but we created words. Yeah. You could say any word that you wanted to begin to deliver F that doesn't sound like firetruck and he doesn't really give a crap as long as we're not putting that negative energy on people, but yeah, we created 

[01:21:21] Paul G Newton: all the words.

Well, yeah, we created the words, but we had to, you know, there's, that's, that's the only way we can communicate with each other on, you know, here at the, here on this planet so 

[01:21:29] Daniel Jackson: they can. Yeah. But the only, the only reason they have a ball is, is so they can have control over somebody else we're not supposed 

[01:21:34] Paul G Newton: to.

Well, that's not what natural law is. And I, I encourage anyone out there. Who's listening to look into what natural law is. It's actually pretty cool. It comes down to don't rape, don't murder, you know? Oh yeah. That kind of stuff. That's, that's what natural law is. And that's what our constitution, well, that's, that's also 

[01:21:49] Daniel Jackson: controlled do this.

Don't do that. Don't do this. Don't do that. 

We 

[01:21:52] Paul G Newton: shouldn't rape anybody. That's not cool. yeah, but okay. With 

[01:21:57] Daniel Jackson: that being law, your soul was here, learning the [01:22:00] lessons of you, doing things that you think are not good, but what's good for you might be not good for 

[01:22:04] Paul G Newton: someone else. What I found that's most interesting is a lot of the things, since you say, you've never read the text of the Bible or Torah or anything like that, but a lot of the things that you're, that you're talking about actually track really well with a lot of the things that are in those books.

And it's interesting because that, that makes sense. And I maybe, maybe it, it could be that you are 100%, right? Um, it could be that they're 100%, right. We won't know until we die for the rest happens us. Yeah. You you'll know 

[01:22:35] Daniel Jackson: on that day. Yeah. 

[01:22:36] Paul G Newton: And, but the interesting thing is, is a lot of these points that he's pointing out are they have been said in our old, old, old religious texts.

So apparently for 

[01:22:48] Daniel Jackson: thousands 

[01:22:48] Paul G Newton: of years. Yeah. It's interesting that. It is very, it's not that far apart. Very interesting. You know, the concept of when you die, you know, everything 

[01:22:57] Daniel Jackson: URA mm-hmm oh, believe me. Oh, they tried to make [01:23:00] me learn that Bible. I, I, I, I had to take Sunday school and stuff like that, and I didn't want anything to do with it.

Yeah. 

[01:23:05] Paul G Newton: Well, and that's, that's your choice. And I I'm okay with that. I don't see why anybody would be upset with that. That's what you wanna do. The people who are, 

[01:23:13] Daniel Jackson: who can't get their book out, they're headed outta that box or the book they 

[01:23:17] Paul G Newton: won me to believe in. Well, that, that book not doesn't necessarily give you any ironclad stuff.

It's a lot of people who 

[01:23:25] Daniel Jackson: usually follow it are the most judgemental people I've ever met in my entire life. 

[01:23:29] Paul G Newton: Well, I agree with that. The Baptist when around here first can be that bad. Yeah, absolutely. I've experienced as a Lutheran. I've experienced that because Lutherans, the only place that we are judgemental and don't allow people to, to do things outside of the box is while we are in the church.

Yeah. You walk out of the church and then it's fine if that's what it's 

[01:23:55] Daniel Jackson: free. Yeah. Yeah. I always tell everyone not to judge anybody because when you look at someone that they're about [01:24:00] to judge, you know, you think to yourself and you take a self inventory over yourself and think about all the crap you've been through your life and then look at someone else and think they've been through a bunch of shit too.

And then you bite your tongue and you walk away. Yeah. Cause we've all been through shit. 

[01:24:13] Paul G Newton: Yeah. And you know, less life, you know? Yep. That's life. And it works. That is life when you're dealing with other human beings. Sometimes it just sucks. 

[01:24:22] Daniel Jackson: so freaking lonely 

[01:24:25] Paul G Newton: so I, uh, again, I appreciate you being on today and, and we are in, uh, Andrea and I, and I think Andrea is looking forward to this.

We are next week, we are going to interview you. O who is at the Crescent hotel in Eureka Springs. Are you excited that you get to talk to this guy, Andrea? 

[01:24:51] Andrea S: Yes. It's one of my favorite places to go and I've had some haunting experiences there. So it would be nice to kinda 

[01:24:57] Paul G Newton: bill knows it all. [01:25:00] Yes. He's the knows, that knows at all.

Wait, does he have a nose? I don't know. I I've met him once. I think it's, I bet he's got a nose. 

[01:25:07] Andrea S: It's a hotel with interesting history, uh, paranormal activity. Um, it's a very classic, well known hotel in Eureka Springs. It's one of my favorite 

[01:25:16] Paul G Newton: places. It used to be a Sanitarium. 

[01:25:18] Andrea S: It used to be a place where there was a quack doctor that thought he could cure cancer, but ended up killing more people than not.

What was he feeding them? He had weird, interesting 

[01:25:28] Paul G Newton: treat. He told him Valium or something like that. Radi. 

[01:25:31] Andrea S: He was basically giving them a cure for cancer so he could take their money and, yeah. 

[01:25:38] Paul G Newton: Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, we're gonna talk to Mr. Bill OT, who has been, he, he spent 22 years there. I encourage all of you to listen next week because it's going to be actually quite cool.

We're gonna actually record the episode cuz I have a portable. Uh, studio for our microphones. We're gonna record the episode in the lobby of the [01:26:00] Crescent hotel in Eureka Springs, Arkansas. 

[01:26:02] Andrea S: I could barely hold my excitement. 

[01:26:04] Paul G Newton: That didn't sound I can barely hold my 

[01:26:07] Andrea S: record. Well, I'm trying to jump. I'm trying not to act like I'm five years old and jumping up a down.

It's okay. You could do that. I love the hotel. It has beautiful history. 

[01:26:15] Paul G Newton: You can be five it's. Okay. Okay. It's okay for you to be a five year old. It's a really cool 

[01:26:22] Andrea S: hotel. Who guys 

[01:26:22] Paul G Newton: love it. She she's super excited about it. She's just, she, she, she doesn't want better to judge her and I'm like, no one cares.

It's cool. If you love it, you love it. So go on. 

[01:26:31] Andrea S: Right. I guess, cuz I had an experience there. I'll tell more at the podcast that ended up taking the tour. I about turned two sheets of white and it was, it 

[01:26:40] Paul G Newton: was just, I still think there's a dude that goes in there every day and smokes a smokes, a pipe just for just so people will smell it.

All 

[01:26:45] Andrea S: right. You guys have to listen to figure out exactly what we're 

[01:26:47] Paul G Newton: talking. all right. So. I, I agree. I agree. Uh, that next week is going to be really, really cool. And I encourage you to listen. My name's Paul [01:27:00] G. Newton. These are things that I wanna know and what Andrew wants to know because Andrea is my fiance.

Hey, I know it's not nepotism. It's Hey man, I gotta keep her interested in stuff or she's, you know, I don't, I gotta make sure that I keep my bread buttered on the right side. I could say. And if you want to ask us a question, if you want us to do something or if you wanna be on the show, uh, just email me at Paul G.

Paul G newton.com. That's Paul G. Paul G newton.com. And if you can't be good, be good at it. Is that how the phrase. Something like that. All right. I'll talk to you guys later and we look forward to listening to ourselves again. Are we listening to ourselves again? No, we can never end these things. Can 

[01:27:43] Andrea S: I, I don't wanna hear my own voice, so I 

[01:27:46] Paul G Newton: wanna hear your voice.

Yeah, but I wanna hear your voice in all its objects. Well, thank you in alls optics. what? Wait, no, we're on air. I can't say all right, I'll talk to you guys later. Bye. 

[01:27:58] Andrea S: Bye.[01:28:00] 

The Dark Side Of Being with The Mental Health Comedian Frank King

There have always been taboo subjects that no one wants to talk about in public. In the modern age, many of these once-taboo subjects are now out in the open. The free discourse of thought is something that our modern minds have become used to.

Yet there is one subject that no one wants to talk about. The one thing that is responsible for more deaths every year than automobile accidents, War, and Natural disasters combined. Easily preventable and often the last thing on anyone’s mind.

The questions I have is: Why is it not talked about, why are they overwhelmingly male, and why are we not paying closer attention?

Today Andrea and I are joined by Frank King, ,  a former writer on The Tonight Show for 20 years, a Corporate Comedian, syndicated humor columnist, and podcast personality who was featured on CNN's Business Unusual.

 He is a Suicide Prevention and Postvention Public Speaker and Trainer.

Depression and suicide run his family. He's thought about killing himself more times than he can count. He's fought a lifetime battle with depression, and thoughts of ending his life, turning that long dark journey of the soul into a TED Talk, "A Matter of Laugh or Death," www.FrankTEDTalk.com, and sharing his lifesaving insights on Mental and Emotional Health Awareness, with corporation, association, youth (middle school and high school), and college audiences www.TheSuicidePreventionSpeaker.com.

As an Inspirational and Motivational Public Speaker and Trainer, he uses the life lessons from the above, as well as lessons learned as a rather active consumer of healthcare, both mental and physical, to start the conversation giving people who battle Mental and Emotional Illness permission to give voice to their feelings and experiences surrounding depression and suicide and to create a common pool of knowledge in which those who suffer, and those who care about them, can swim.

If you have thoughts of suicide, you can text "home" to 741741 or visit the website crisistextline.org or call 988 to speak to someone.

You can even Call Frank King himself anytime you feel you need someone to talk to @ 858.405.5653 or email frank@thementalhealthcomedian.com.

TRANSCRIPT

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There have always been taboo subjects that no one wants to talk about in public free discourse of thought is something that our modern minds have become used to. Yet there is one subject that no one wants to talk about. One thing that is responsible for more deaths every year than automobile accidents, war and natural disasters combined. What's an easily preventable and often the last thing on anyone's mind? The questions that I have is this Why is it not talked about? Why are they overwhelmingly male? And why are they not paying closer attention? Why are we. Not paying closer attention? So today, Andrea and I are joined by Frank King, a former writer on The Tonight Show. He spent 20 years doing that. I can't even get 2 minutes to tell a bad joke and be kicked out. I don't even have that opportunity. But that's okay. A corporate comedian, syndicated humor columnist and a podcast personality who was featured on CNN's Business as Usual and a TED Talker, which is pretty cool. Also, a suicide prevention and post vention. Public Speaker and trainer, Mr. Frank King. How are you doing today? I am surfing the crazy. The surfer, the crazy. You're not supposed to be talking to me. Not on the web. What do you surf it for over there? No. No surf that people ask. How are you doing, man? I'm surfing. The great is everything. You know what it is? Is that I used to say that I find depression and that is not accurate. Fight implies I could win and I can. I win. I can lose and kill myself. I can tie sort of an uneasy truce like North and South Korea. Yeah, but there. Is no Jim Kim or whatever your name is now. Yes, Kim Jong un. Yeah, no, I just I figured I. It's like the martial art aikido, if you're familiar. Oh, is that the stick fighting? No, it's. It's actually the bone and joint manipulation. And rather than oppose your opponent's attack, you blend with their energy, you know, and you spin them in a circle, and then you reverse and take after you take their balance. And the idea is not to oppose the force, but to blend with it. That's why I say I surf the crazy, because I just get the wave knowing that my cycle 72 hours for depression and you know, within about three days I'll be back to flying level. So I think a lot of us who are somewhat into the entertainment business because even though, you know, I'm fairly unknown person, I do work in the entertainment business and I think it's just kind of par for the course for folks like us too, because I'd. Say. Donald McDonald, comedian Canada years ago, said there are two kinds of comedians diagnosed and undiagnosed. That's pretty much what it is. So, Andrea, you have a little bit of experience on the medical side of of this. What what's your what's the medical horror portion of this? I was always curious because you mentioned to me earlier that doctors should be taking, you know, at your annual checkup. You should have the questionnaire. Yeah, it's strange because I mean, I suffer from depression and take it medications for years and adjustments and had issues. But every year, wellness visit. Hand me this piece of paper. Fill this out and hand it to your doctor. Check it, and then we go over it. And then that's the end of it. But I kept thinking, do they not hand this to every. I've never gotten one in my. Life. And then when you said that you never had one, I was like, What do you mean? And I was like, I have never practiced as a nurse. Was this paired to physician in the clinic? So I don't know how that works, but it's definitely opened up a lot of doors for me to want to ask questions, especially my profession when I can actually kind of like have more of a candid conversation with the physician. I kind of want to ask that question like, Hey, why are we not asking this to every single person that comes in for a wellness visit? I mean, you know, for me, I worked in ICU. So if someone's having a crisis, usually they go to the ICU because there's one on one observation. And usually, I'll be honest, from what I can remember before we came on, I kept thinking, How many male patients can I remember having? And it's a few, but most of them are women. And I kept thinking, Well, standard of care is if you're having some problems and you're suicidal before they send you somewhere, you come to the ICU and you hang out with me until we have a place to go. It just makes me wonder, like, why is it not? Why is it not discussed or addressed? I mean, I don't know. I know I don't get it. I don't understand. And it's kind of what's the insight that you have about that? I mean, this is something you have more knowledge about this stuff than either one of us do. Uh, why is that? Do you know? Well, they are supposed to your physician every visit, whether it's for the well checkup or whatever they're supposed to ask you to. Gateway questions. One, I think there's something about taking the less interest in social activities. And two is, have you felt hopeless in the last two weeks? And if you say yes to either one of those, then they're supposed to ask seven follow up questions that the questionnaire she's talking about, Andrew's talking about. But my physician never did. He didn't really know he mentioned depression till I did. One day I said, look, I need some antidepressants. And he said, Why? And I said, Because I can tell you with the barrel of the gun, tastes like, oh, geez. And and that's true, actually, I should point out to the audience, I did not I didn't pull the trigger. Obviously not. But the suppose to ask that every time. And but here's the thing he's busy. He's working on a large practice. They got a waiting room full of people. They're only allowed X number of minutes per visit and I would guess that he really doesn't want to know the answer. If it happens to be, yes, I'm depressed and suicidal. Yeah. So, yeah, it's it's too bad it should be asked. Never never been asked those questions, ever. But maybe when I was admitted to the emergency room once or twice. Well, honestly, when you're like I would do a these admit questions on patients and I'll be honest and it's I'll just fall on my sword when I say this. You've got like X amount of patients. No excuse. You're just trying to get this person vetted so you could take care of God. Down the hall was having problems. You rattle off those questions and you don't really stop it. Give the patient time to think and I know the emergency room is especially probably during COVID, they probably do zip through a lot of that. And sometimes nurses honestly forgot to ask them, I'm being honest here, it's not right, but it's just kind of what happens. But it just I know I'm in my job. I've just I help physicians in their documentation. It's a long whole their story. But basically I'm learning about ambulatory type stuff and the physicians clinics and things like that. And I'm looking at physician schedules to look at the documentation and I'm like 15 minutes for a checkup. You get 15 minutes. That's not enough. That's not like, what, in 30 minutes for someone who's a new patient, I'm like, what do you heard in these people in like cattle? I mean, they don't. They had 175 to $275 a pop. With your co-pay, you pay 25 bucks, but yet it's actually two 200 to $300 for your visit. Nobody sees that portion of it either, which is a whole nother podcast about a whole other thing. But, you know, whatever. I just was totally baffled by that because I was kind of like in a society where we are now, we're we're always talking about people's mental health. And it's more talked about in the schools because my kids are more aware of it. They're teenagers. So that's probably the population where they want to bring it up the most. But it's like. Why always depressed teenagers? Yeah, it's a whole other podcast on that one, but it's like, why are we not? Why are we not talking to is with men? I don't I'm so mind blown by this. Well, we were all John Wayne for a very long time, you know. I mean, go ahead. Oh, yes. Well, a couple things. One, not only do they have 15 minutes, Andrea, they they have something now called, you know, this electronic medical record, the EMR or. Yep. And so used to when you went see the physician, he was sitting across, you know, stool and staring you in the face, watching for your reactions. And, you know, nowadays his face is in the computer on a computer screen because he's entering your information, because it's required by law to keep electronic medical records. And so not only is is the appointment shorter, he's not really paying attention. Like you said, he or he's just asking the questions and inputting them, not watching your face for micro-expressions and see if you're lying. You know, it's okay. Well, men. Yeah. Man. That's why we wrote a four book series on men's mental health because eight of ten people who die by suicide at this moment are men and generally 45, 54 years old, mostly Caucasian. And it's in part because they call it toxic masculinity. But I'm from the South. I grew up there. I think the term Big Boys Don't Cry is far more. Yeah. Illustrative. Yeah, that's what we called it when I was a kid. Yeah. And so they don't reach out for help. Yeah. I'm from Arkansas and grew up with my half of my time being spent in Stuttgart, Arkansas, which is the Delta, basically. So I totally understand what you're saying. And the, you know, men don't tend to reach out for help. That's true. And example, construction has the highest rate of suicide of any occupation. And people go, why is it? Well, mostly because it's heavily male. It's mostly men and it's tough guys. Yeah. Or supposed to be tough guys anyway. Yeah. And they, they believe they're expected to be dead. Right. And every year and every year in construction, roughly a thousand people die by accident. Roughly 5000 die by suicide. You are five times more likely to have to jump off the building than you are to fall off it. It's crazy. Yep. Huh. Wow. It's a living. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. But it's, you know, it drives me crazy because, you know, you could still be a man and admit you're having failures. You could still be a man and have weakness. Because just because you're weak for the moment doesn't mean you're weak all the time. And it's it's weird. The guy like me, when you get to know me, you realize that I'm probably one of the manliest men you ever met. But I will sit here and talk to you about my feelings at a drop of a hat. True. And I'll be honest about my feelings. Most men aren't. Yeah, and I don't understand why men can't do that. I don't know. I don't. I think it's lack of confidence because I'm. I don't scared anything. It doesn't make a shit to me what's going on and I made a vow a long time ago that I'm going to do everything once within reason. And if I like it, I'm going to do it again, you know? Well, it's cultural. It's you know, men were raised that way. Most men will raise anyway. It's like the same reason that there are certain groups, cultural groups, where they have a high rate of suicide of African-American, Native American, Alaskan, American, Japanese. Japanese. They're, uh, I mean, they're in Japan. There's a suicide forest. They had, like, 10,000 people a year going there to kill themselves. Yes. And it's in part because they in these groups, they don't normally come out as depressed or mentally ill to their friends and family. It's just not part of the culture. Right. I've got a friend who is a comedian after starting a comedy career, helped to start our speaking career. We helped to get a telex and she she lives with schizoaffective disorder. She's had three suicide attempts and that's what she did, her TED accent. And her mother was serious, you know, in our community, her mom said, we don't talk about that. And my friend goes, That's exactly why I did it. Yeah, because I cannot be the only one. So. Exactly. So it's like I told my, my coworker the other day when we were talking about our our business. And, you know, he says the biggest problem we have is communication. And I said, yes, it's very biggest problem we have is communication. But you know what? We just don't talk about that. Nicely done. So I got a question for you. I'm a single mother and I have two boys and two girls. And my oldest son is predominately a lot with his father in Texas because that's where he wanted to be. And he would I would always kind of encourage him to be honest and talk about the way he feels and kind of things like that, because his father is kind of gruff and tough and you know that really well. He makes. It read. And what to the little kid, whatever that's. But anyways, I, I very much wanted my son to be able to be open with how he felt and not be afraid because growing up I was not allowed to ever talk about anything. We weren't allowed to cry. If you're a girl, you have to suck it up. You're a boy, you have to suck it up. This is how it is. So I didn't want him to be that way. So what advice would you give to people in my situation as a single mom with boys, especially because they're having to like be a mom and a dad and how would you help them talk about mental health? I think having this conversation with him is not, you know, age appropriate. Of course. Yeah. That that oftentimes men and boys don't talk about the way they feel because they you know, if they're feeling emotional, it's it's sort of, you know, bred into you that you don't show that your big boys don't cry. But that's not true. So, yeah, it's it's healthy. It's you know, there are times when you, you know, it's it's just part of growing up and living is is cry don't you. This is not going to happen in one conversation. I think it has to happen over time. You know, they'll be ashamed if you feel that if you're upset about something, let me know not to judge. There's no, you know. But yeah, it it has to be over time and have to open up the communication. It's kind of like having a talk about sex, you know, you don't start off with, you know, which finger do they? You start out with just the basics, the birds and the bees. And then as they get older, you, you know, you buy the condoms. Yeah. Yeah. Well, her her dad bought her 18. What a whole jar full. Yeah. A whole jar full of condoms. He just basically told me, he goes he said I don't want to be a grandpa, not now, but I'm not going to tell, you know. So, you know. And so, I mean. My dad just said, don't get caught. So along what you were just talking about a minute ago, you know, I've noticed when I have teenagers and both of them go obviously to the pediatrician once a year and whatnot, and they hand him that questionnaire, too. And I've always been told I have a daughter and son that both of us get these questionnaires and I sort of fill it out, honestly. And so when we get one of the questionnaires and she was completely honest, it kind of opened the door to her mental health treatment. But I think, oh, yeah, it did. And, you know, I try to be very much open to that, especially as a nurse, to be kind of attuned to that. My father suffered from depression for a long period of time. So your conversation of not be able to talk about it, he really wasn't able to talk about or to even seek treatment until God. I was like a senior in high school. So I want to think that. He had a special circumstance for being depressed too, though. Yes, but yeah, my father was gay. He came out later in life, so got. Married, had kids, and then had to come out as a gay man. Finally, after the kids got old enough where he didn't have to be home anymore. So yeah. It was I could understand his depression. So seeing him go through that is very much made me like it's okay to talk about your feelings, it's okay to be accepting who you are. I'm going to love you regardless. Kind of conversation. But I would like to think that we've come a long way in mental health because now it's like, let me just talk about our trigger warnings. Let's talk about what upsets you less. Right? As a man, you can't be that seriously as a full bore, manly, heterosexual, can't think of being any other way type guy. You, you, it's always about being strong, being the best and that's just innate in the head, you know. And again encouraged culturally to. Yeah, but it's also. By the way, I don't know. DNA. Yes, but it's it's my mother's generation never talked about it. And so I didn't tell anybody I was depressed and suicidal until I told the world. In my first Ted X, I came out of the mental health closet on stage at age 52. At my dad ex, nobody knew that I was living with depression and in chronic suicidal ideation. And most people, many people who are mentally ill are great actors. There's I have a Screen Actors Guild card for a reason. I'm a good actor. So and I if I were to come out then if it weren't for being a comedian for two and a half decades, at that point, I wanted to be a speaker and I had to convince the world I could do something serious. I thought, Well, I'll show him. I'll ideas. I'm deadly serious. I'll do a X on suicide. Yeah. By the way, I looked I looked up taxes on suicide on the big TED site. Think there must be dozens and there were three, just three. FedEx talks on suicide. Then it hit me. Well, duh. If you're really good at suicide, chances are you're not going to be recording a TED talk. But, yeah, the winners in that field are just fighting. Okay, you. Really don't want to be. A winner. You know? You don't want to win. You got to win the game, right? Do you feel like a failure? Yes. I failed. Suicide? Yeah. But it's such a hard subject to make fun of. But at the same time, it's like if you're open enough and if any, and you've come to terms with your own demons, then yes, you can be silly about something like this because it is what it is, you know, and you get it. We get it. People throw daggers at us every day and some daggers hurt more than others. But what I've found is keeping it is they all don't actually hurt more than others. They're all the same depth. We just let the wounds fester longer by picking at them with our mind and our emotions, or. We don't treat them and they get infected and it gets worse. The correct reason I get the reason I'm often hired over as a clinician to talk about suicide prevention because we're both giving basically the same advice. Yeah. Is that I'm the mental health comedian and the fact that I can not tell jokes but tell funny personal stories, what's better than comedy? Yeah. Yes. And but in comedy, the rule is, you can make fun of any group to which you belong. So I make fun of people. Yeah. So? So I can't be anybody because I'm like, an outcast galore. Cheese. So. Well, you can make fun of all your other misfit friends. Oh, yeah? Well, are you going to have friends first? I'm just saying. But I wonder if. That's. Probably some of this might have to do with just stigma, because I'm sitting here thinking like as in health care. Yes, I've worked in the emergency room, I've worked in the ICU. I've done various things over my career. And I've always heard, like tons of other nurses say, Oh, if they really meant to do it, they would do it right. And I'm like, What? That is so. Wrong. I was like, No, no, no, no, no. We're taught better than this in school. This is a cry for help. I think people sometimes get so, at least in my profession, get so immune to taking care of those people that we just think that it's just another person that's acting out. And that's that's not really a fair way to be. I mean, I've kind of been guilty of that. I'll be honest. Well, we're just human. We are just human. True. But it's like, as my profession, we should do better at that. We well, let me let me give you some good news. I think sharing a little good news when I can, the eight of ten people who are suicidal are ambivalent. They cannot make up their mind. And nine out of ten actually give hints in the last seven days leading up to an attempt, which means the vast majority of people can be saved. Want to be saved? Yeah. If you know what to look and listen for. And that's what I teach. Signs and symptoms. What say what not say what to do or not do and how to find resources so we can solve this problem. But as you said, Ed, there's a lot of stigma attached. And and by the way, I was in California, I was at a comedy show and at a convention. And I'm sit with nine people at dinner at the ten top table. And they asked why I did anything else and I said, yes. I told my dad, told them what I was living with mentally and I'm only in the bathroom. And this guy headed that way with me and he stops me. He goes, Frank, I also have chronic suicidal ideation. He said, He's 69 years old, he says, but I've never told anybody that, including my therapist. And I know why. Because in California, if you tell your therapist you're having thoughts of suicide and you have a plan, you're going to spend three days in an all expenses paid mental health facility with no shoestrings or belt involuntary. And all you get to eat is Jell-O. And you don't even get the straw. And juicy fruit. Yeah. Thanks for getting that. So my question to you is, I'll just be honest here. I my daughter tried by taking Tylenol and I'm a nurse and I'm her mother and I didn't see any of it. And that's a huge guilt that I've got to live with because I feel like, sure, I should have caught on to that. I am not just I'm not the dumb mom, I guess in that situation maybe, but I'm a nurse. I should have caught this, but I didn't. But luckily for her, she told me and we took her straight to the hospital. She wasn't really trying. Well, I don't know. She took enough Tylenol, damaged her liver for a permanently. Yeah, but she's gotten treatment and she's taken her medication, and I'll keep her in therapy. And I keep I keep on her and stuff like that and that kind of thing. There is nothing wrong for anyone who's listening and there's nothing wrong with someone who feels emotionally distraught and has to and feels like that's the only thing they can do. There's nothing wrong with that person other than that they need someone to help them and come and talk to them and listen. Listening is the biggest key, I think, for most people who feel terrible. And in that way, just listen. I felt I was doing that, though. But but I don't know what advice. Would play with a person is listening. Mm. What signs would you tell. Because I mean we're taught like they give things away, they change a personality, they, you know, little things like that. And I'm sitting here going back. I didn't see any of that. Well and as a kid. Well, then I'm just saying. Yeah. And sometimes parents confuse that with just being a teenager. Yeah. Moody My three top symptoms, I found out they eat too much. They can't eat, they sleep too much, they can't sleep. They let their personal hygiene go. That's a big one, too. After getting out, they get in trouble getting out of bed in the morning. They seem to rally in the afternoon like almost a different person. And but know these are not always these are not the only signs nor are you know, is this sort of. Well, yeah this I got I do all but one of those every day and I'm not suicidal. So I wonder, do men have different symptoms than, say, women? No. But men tend three times as many women attempt suicide as men. Men tend to complete because they use a firearm. Your daughter chose Tylenol, which is something you can come back from. You can call somebody, go look at it. Call 911. You cut yourself, you're bleeding, but you're not going to bleed out right away. So you can call 911. Men tend to other name. Now, Naomi Judd shot herself, which is kind of unusual. Yeah, but here's. Here's something people said to me. Have she killed herself? She had everything. Why would she want to die? And my stock answer is, chances are she didn't. I want to die. She simply wanted to end the pain. I didn't want to die. And I came so close, I just wanted to end the pain. Well, for me, when I was about 11, I felt that everybody hated me. I couldn't trust anybody. There was nothing on this planet for me. I'm very different kind of person. I've always been my own. I didn't beat to the rhythm of my own drum. I went out and like. Beat. People up and took their drums and then turned them into my drum. And then fine, then found my own rhythm. You have the cannonballs. Yeah. I'm the kind of guy that likes to hear the cannibals roar. But at 11, I got hot water, a straight razor. And I'm at 11, of all things. And I'm sitting there thinking about it and I'm like, okay, I'm going to be older soon, and it's only going to be five or six years. It's supposed to be 80. And I just thought about it logically for a second. I've only had to deal with this situation that I'm in and these people have been going with for about another ten years, and I go do something else and then I can go to the beach, I can party or I can have a family or I can drive a car. And I thought to myself, this is stupid. I'm not going to kill myself. I just got to put up with it for a little while and then it'll go away and everything will change. I'll do what I want. Well, Paul, I had a similar thought in reverse recently. Right? I was on the trail walking the dogs, all the dogs every morning. And I was thinking to myself, I was thinking about the whole, you know, I have chronic suicidal ideation, which means for me, it's always an option on the menu as a solution for problems large and small. My car broke down three years ago. I had a couple of thoughts on that. One, get it fixed, do buy new three. I just kill myself because it's a coping mechanism. Yeah. Stress reliever and you're. Anyway, I'm walking down the trail. I'm thinking, you know, thinking about what to do for a living and talking about suicide. And I thought to myself, Wait a minute. Sort of like you did. I'm 65 years old. I mean, what are we talking here? Ten, 15, 28. Why rush it? Why not just go fast? Yeah, let's let everybody else. Might as well just have a good time while it's left and go on. That's how I feel about it. Yeah. Yeah. When I had my first suicidal thoughts in my twenties, you know, I'm lucky to stretch to whatever the average age white background 72 Right. Now you. Can get strippers, hookers, cocaine, blow, whatever you want and it'll be fine. I Disney cruise ship you know I was on a cruise ship with a guy who is 80 something. He's 80 years old. I'm watching me breakfast. We had breakfast together and he's eating yogurt and granola and something else health. And I go, Dude, you're 84. Why are you eating such a healthy breakfast? I mean, come on, we're. Yeah, we're getting we're rolling into the Dominican Republic. Let's get off the boat, get some hookers, some airline. Even if you got age, it's like a ten year embrace. You're very different. You can be long gone by. Every 95, but, you know, it's like it's over. Who cares? Yeah, exactly. I did read in some statistics here that 85 and older is a very high rate for suicide as well. And I wonder if a lot of that has to do with illness and coming to terms with the end of life problem. Yes, they have a higher rate, but the boomers rate is increasing and they think it's because baby boomers, when they were young, 18, whatever, 20, they were going to change the world. And they did. They helped in the Vietnam War and they thought they'd go on to do greater things, you know, changing the world some more. And they look back and, you know, they went to work for some corporation and they they didn't change anything. But I'll tell you who the loneliest people on the planet are in the United States, anyway. Teenage girls. Yeah. Because and one of the reasons they believe is they're spending 40% less time face to face with their peers, like hanging out at the mall than they did ten years ago. They've got their faces in their iPhone, in their bedrooms. And so there's a disconnect where the most connected and most disconnected generation are, you know, in history because of the social media. Something for your daughter, by the way. Mm hmm. You're asking for suggestions. Here's what I suggest. You do it at random points. That suicidality is a three legged stool. One leg is you isolate yourself, you move, or you you end friendships, and you you, you know, you pull out of anything. Social two is you have crossed a barrier where you have realized you can end your life because babies are born with amazing will to survive. But you cross that barrier, you can kill yourself. Yeah. The third one is and this is the one that I recommend you drop into conversation with your daughter every now and then is something called burdensome. This burdensome ness. Many people who are suicidal feel the world would be better off without them. So on the outside looking in, it's a selfish act, but on the inside looking out it's almost selfless. And they firmly believe that the parents and so forth would be better off without them. So my advice to you, when Robin says something like a child, you got so much to live for, which in my mind is not going to have any impact, say to her, you know, honey, I imagine, you know, it crossed your mind every now and then that we would somehow be better off without you. And that is in no way true. We would not in any way be better off without you. Yeah, that's a really good point because I mean, I've noticed, especially with like social media, I mean, we kind of grew up not having to deal with that and now everybody's putting filters on, making themselves look thin and all this other stuff. And I told them the other day, I was like, Have you ever stopped to think what someone really looks like without the filter? They look just like you. Right? Well, it's a highlight reel. It's a highlight reel. You know, and I'm kind of like, I just don't I can't fathom the amount of pressure that it's got to be for a teenager. And no idea how hard it is for me to hold back on my smart ass comments. I know it is. I live in small town. Well, her graduating class is maybe 25 people. Oh. Maybe a little bit more than that. But both. Of us, where we I graduated with 680 people, I. Had five. And she had 500 something people. So for us, it's kind of hard for us to deal. And none of these children are mine. I don't have any kids at all. Um, by choice. It wasn't that I. The parts don't work. It's that the parts I didn't want them to work. So. But at that way, um, so just, just to kind of see where, you know, where we're coming from a little bit. But anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry. So, I mean, it's just crazy because I'm like email, you know, you don't have to necessarily like get along with everybody in your class. It's like you can't blend in or you have to get along. And there's so much pressure of people being in each other's business and filters. And I just I feel it breaks my heart because I'm thinking, man, if things would just be so much simpler, we're not your whole entire life has to be put on Facebook. And for everyone's opinion, yeah, it almost might make things ten times easier on people if they weren't so worried about what everyone's doing. Trying to tell you about being an entertainer too is that you can't let other people's opinion hit you. And you should know something about this, I guess. Oh, yeah, yeah, that. Go ahead. Every time I every time I announce when I speak that I'm in a conference and they pass out evaluation forms and then the media passes me, well, we'll send you the evaluation forms and I say, don't. I don't want them. Yeah, I don't want them. I don't want you know, I don't want I mean, I know. It's just going to upset me. Though. Yes. Well, it's like, you know, we were talking about with the podcast, like people's like comments. It's like I don't know what they want to I don't want to know what they say. I don't care. No. I mean, I do care people's opinions, but I don't want the negativity. And I'm trying to teach that to myself and also to teach it to my kids. It's like just who cares what other people think? You be you, be you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But the problem there is that an adult answer to a teenage question. Exactly. I agree because that teenagers want nothing more, in my estimation, than to sit in. Its still undecided for a teenager was I never a child because I never cared if I fit in or not? I think everyone does. I didn't know. I never cared. I didn't give two shits if I fit in or not. As the people say, You should do this. It's not like I'm lying. And that's my mantra. You know that. I dislike is that it's go back to men and suicide. They want so much to be this idyllic yes. Person of what they feel like that they were brought up to think they had to be. And when they're not meeting that expectation, they feel like the only way that they can end it is to hurt is to, I guess, essentially suicide. It's like, why do we put that pressure people? Well, I think it's changing with the newer generations in terms of, you know, the male female role models. And as those expectations thankfully, like my mother's generation never talked about it. Right. My my and my sister's generation or open about it all. And so therefore, the nieces and nephews are very open their emotions that they're struggling with the mental challenge. They don't hide it. There's no stigma in the family. So I think over generations, hopefully it will improve. The thing about I'm sure you had this experience, I'm 65, graduated high school in 75. Back then the bully was very up close and personal. Yeah, his name was George Ragland in the locker next to me and junior high school and and he would hit me in the shoulder or whatever it was. But when I left the school, I left the bullying behind. Now kids carry the bully behind a bully home in their pocket. Yeah, I do. Yeah. And I did something one time in the last couple of years that got the trolls to come after me for something they thought that I had done. And it was vicious. It was. I mean, I had death threats had changed my phone number, shut down three social media accounts. Good grief. Yeah. And I said to him, I said to my wife, you know, I never really understood the whole cyberbullying thing until now. I said, These people I'll never meet. But if those people who are coming after me and being that vicious were my classmates, I would be talking to my mother about, Look, honey, Frank needs to be home school because if he's not shortly, he's going to kill somebody. You know what I mean? I wonder if that's what's what this whole school shooting thing is, because I remember my kids coming to me. They started school. Might have been, but I don't know if the new ones are that the. Bully that you know, the kid that got bullied all the time just decided that instead of, you know, hurting himself, he's going to hurt others. But I'll Columbine kids were kind of they had that something to it they had some that to it and but some of these guys are just they are a who knows. Well I think it began with Columbine then actually began in Oregon and in Springfield. Yeah. Somebody told me the year that it happened and I think at the it was a lot of going after the bully and all their friends. Yeah. But, but then you see somebody who does that and you see the kind of attention they get in the media and social media. And so that's why they live. Some of these people live stream this and they livestream but you know then they they they post before lives they live stream before it. So to be a star, I guess to be a social media star. Yes. My last TEDTalk was called Digital Media Addiction, Smartphones, smartphones, social media stress, anxiety and Suicide. The high schoolers now report self report. Last study I saw, 40% of them have anxiety and 60% of college students. And that is twice the rate it was ten years ago. And what's changed, I believe, is in 2012, only 30% of people in the United States owned a smartphone. That's when we cross that, you know, into the plus 5050 plus. Now it's around 84%. And if you track the graph of self-reported depression, thoughts of suicide among teenagers and you place it over top of a graph of the growth in smartphone or ship, the two lines are almost parallel, you know, going up to the right hand corner. Well, it's easier, to be honest with an app on your phone that you carry around in your you trust the phone to do at least a little bit more than you would just talk at a random person on the street. So it may be part of that is that they're just used to it and they can be open with it and so they can self report before or if you had a self report like when we were kids and when you're kids you had to do it in front of somebody and that somebody could be very humiliating. That's true because I mean, a lot of things that they would like for me as a nurse, they would tell me stuff, but they wouldn't tell the doctor. Yeah. And I'm always kind of like, I never really understood that. And it's maybe because, you know, they got I was because. You're a nice pretty girl. Good talk to this. That's pretty girl right here. You know. What? I'm going to do? Hey, what's up, baby? Oh, no. I feel fine day. And they go until the doctor I feel fine till the nurse I feel like shit. So it's like, yeah, but you have a point there. Like, people are more comfortable self-reporting to a box that they stare at than somebody eyeballs. And maybe a lot of that has to do with men, too, not wanting to talk about how they feel in front of their physician or saying, Hey, hey, hey, stop, stop, stop. I need to talk to you about something, you know, that kind of thing. And teenagers are more forthcoming in text rather than on the phone. Yeah. So the Suicide Prevention Lifeline folks establish a suicide prevention text line. You text the word help to 741741 and there'll be somebody on the other end roughly your age, texting back because they'd much rather text their feelings. They're much more open about their feelings in a text than they are talking to somebody on the phone. That makes sense. I mean, honestly, I would rather text somebody than actually talk, and that's just mainly because it's just easier and faster and convenient and dry. And you don't have to you don't have to throw out because we as humans, we listen to the vocals, so we listen to that. I can tell when someone is upset or happy or sad or or confused or frightened by the tone of their voice and how their cadences and things like that. I spent 20 years on insurance to people. I did the employer benefits. I was I had to see 15 people a day. So I had 10 minutes to meet with these people and sell them insurance and some insurance I didn't eat. So I had to learn how to listen and and get that. And guess what? These people are doing that my best ability and otherwise I couldn't sell them and. Well, not just listen Paul. And this is this is this is something I fear is that the I think we're losing the ability to do if you're not making eye contact you're not watching the other person's face. Yeah. For microexpressions and you're not listening. This is the problem with texting or email, you know, as you said, not listening to the tone of their voice. Yeah. That all these cues you're missing. I saw somebody said the day will come when this the millennials and certainly the Gen Z, when somebody they know has a tragedy, they won't know what to say or what facial expression to make. Right. But they will know just exactly which emoji. You know, that's a really good point, because there are certain things that I've noticed within my own kids that they don't know how to like. Express. Express or say the right thing. And now that you bring that up, I mean, that's a really, really good point because I didn't want to give them cell phones until but we lived out here. I was a single mom. I need to make sure they got in the door okay from school. It was just easier and it's just like morphed into something where if a kid doesn't have a cell phone at age nine and he's like teased, he or she is teased. Yeah. And I was crazy. Let's go. Let's go to the next generation. If millennial woman has a baby when the the first number of months, it's very important that the mother and child are constantly making eye contact, that the child can see. Yeah, you can't really see that well in the beginning. But they can look at the mother's face and what they're doing is they're looking in their mother's face is they're picking up what her face looks like when she said, where are faces like this? She's angry. And so if the mother has her face turned away and staring into a smartphone, she's denying that neural connection with the child's. Eyes can be very dangerous thing going on. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to do some research on that. It's just like I said in the last podcast, the about the when we talked about science in astronomy and uh, the doctors have found that in premature babies that the ones that are touched by the nurses every few minutes or every hour or so develop stronger, better than the ones who aren't touched and are in a cage. And that's that's a, that's a white paper. I kind of find that white paper. So people I could people could I could prove it, but it does exist. What I don't understand is when you have a child, you don't have time to do much else besides feed the child. Yeah, the child changed the child's diaper, feed it and sleep when it does. I don't know how you even have time to pick up your cell phone. Let's take a bath. I don't understand this. I don't understand. I'm just like, how do you have time to? If you remember, you and I are different kind of people. Yeah, we are. We are very attentive. We're hyper hyper empathy. We have hyper empathy. It's probably true state. But yeah. So because of that, it's hard for us to deal with people who have no empathy and we don't understand those kind of things. Because I don't know when my kids were born, I, I was, I didn't they were constantly with me like I didn't go to the bathroom or take a bath by myself or like. I have no kids. For like at least the first six months, four months or something because they're crying. They're constantly they need you. You're your mom. You're right there. So I don't know. I'm was like, get off of the phone and pay attention to your kids. Yeah, because because that I contact mother and child that actually develops neural pathways that will eventually be used by that child as an adolescent and an adult in terms of, you know, reading other people's faces and understanding, you know, the but not everybody, not everybody, even my even my generation. Not everybody can do that. Not everybody. I'm walking with a guy one day and a woman who all passes and she goes. She smiles at us and I go, Yeah, but did you notice her smile? Never reached her eyes. What? What do you mean? Around every story I go, You didn't see that? He goes, No, I didn't. But she smiled. But you could tell because I was. I saw her smile, looked into her eyes. It never got there. It was perfunctory. It was just smiling, you know? She's being polite to smile. Yeah, yeah, she's being polite. Yeah. Never. So there are people who can't pick up on those micro-expressions. You had to learn all of that. I think Dr. Paul Aikman is one of the premier researchers in microexpressions and that that guy, he's got every microexpression that anyone's ever made mapped. And he's found that it doesn't matter whether you're an American or living in the deep jungle, I've never even seen a fork before that their micro-expressions are exactly the same. It's. Yeah, I think he's the one they based the show The Mentalist on. Well, Mentalist the real show that they based on him was, oh, my gosh, a lot of you lie to me because that guy's name was Paul Griffin. Yeah. I can't watch that show because you'll start point stuff out. And I'm like like, I can't. I can't do anything, man. I watch you what I do. But. Well, it's go ahead. If I could take if I if I could go back in time, they said you can't do comedy. I would have gone and studied with I would have said they were like men and gone to work, you know, in that and like that guy does reading people's expression. Because part of my mental illness, I think, is if you have mental illness, you're much more, I believe, empathetic, you're much more aware of other people's feelings and so forth around you. And I'm one of the things I do for a hobby is I try to guess where people are from and it's all in observation. It's a friend of mine who's a mentalist, said Frank. That's called a cold read. And apparently you've been practicing this for years. I have. I came I was coming across coming across the border from Canada. I stopped a U.S. Border Patrol show, my passport or whatever. Yeah. And I just out of habit, I was like a little guy up and down, black guy. His name is Tyler Larsen with Thomas on his badge. He said a couple of words. And so I said to him, Officer Thomas, you're from Georgia. And he freezes and he looks at me and he goes, I am, but how could you possibly know that? And I said, You're asking the wrong question as to what's the right question? Why you have someone like me at every border crossing in this country watching and listening to people come and go. Yeah. And they do that in Israel. They have people who watch and listen to the people in line. Yeah. For immigration coming and going and that's that because they're what they have people who are trained to watch signs and whatever. Well, it's like whenever you're about that spam message that says important, this is going to expire. Car in a car warranty. Yeah. And and you're like, whatever. And every now and again, I'll engage them because I like screwing with people. It's fun. Yeah, I'll engage them and I'll be exactly where they're from. And I'm like, You're not in the or. It's like when I was dating, I, I did 5250. It was a 51 or 50 to 51 first day 51. Yeah. Since after I got divorced, I was divorced not quite a year. And then when I'm 51/1 dates because I was bound to find somebody that I can actually, you know, actually connect with. And I got to make up for lost time. I spent 20 years, you know, living with God anyway. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even remember when my point was. Now I got so sidetracked right now. Oh, my God. You had to learn how to read people, basically. Yeah, it was dates. It's first dates. I always tell everybody it's like a job interview. Yeah, it is. It's job interview. I mean. I wrote a list. I had a list of ten things. And if you violated more than three, I wasn't going to go out with you again. Oh. Hey, you got to have standards, man. Yeah. That's true. Okay, one, she's breathing. Watching. Breathing. Two, she got a blood pressure. Three, she's got a pulse. Um, not a dude. Not a dude. I don't know. I mean, it depends on how good looking. Cheers. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. Well, you know what? When I went out with my current wife, when I went out my current wife the first time I met her, there's San Diego in a tremendously gay neighborhood with a lot of female impersonator bars. Now, she was extremely muscular, wearing. Crocodile Dundee. I think, which is. Remember the Crocodile Dundee that. Yeah, that woman eat chicken. You remember the. Movie? Oh, no, actually, I saw that. Oh, yes. Yeah. I said I said to my roommate, I said to my roommate, look, I'm going to go out on this date with this woman. Here's her address. I think there's a 5050 chance she's got outdoor, not indoor plumbing. So if I don't get, I'll call you by midnight, send the cops this address because I'm the crying game and lose it. Oh, my God. You know. Yeah, you should know me. 1145 at her place, I said, Can I borrow your phone? And she goes, Sure. And right in front of her, I call my roommate. I said simply, It's a girl. Oh, my God. It's good to see you, man. No, I told the story. And you know what? She is so sweet and so and so smart. I would have married her if she had a penis is just. See, that's what I said. Just like I wasn't wrong. Depends on how pretty she is. Oh, my God. Yeah, she was flat. She was flat. And, you know, blowjobs and blowjob. She was. Flat. Gore We're just devolving this conversation to its lowest common denominator at this point. Sorry, guys. No, it's okay. It's exactly what we do. That's. That's fun to talk it. It morphs into stuff, but. That's because I'm an asshole. I can't help it. I'm not an ass. No, I'm not. I'm not an asshole. I'm an ass. Not an asshole. There's a difference. Yeah. There's a difference. That is correct. See, I'm not the only one you know. It's like down south. The expression is he showed his ass. It's not. He showed his ass. Oh, no, he showed his ass. Yeah, it's different. Yeah, that's true. If she tells you you're assholes, especially if you're in prison, it means something completely different. So different. Completely different. Exit only. Thank you. Yes, that's what I saw. The exit only I, I, if I ever end up having to go to jail. So the first thing I'm going to do before I go in is have that, have those two words tattooed on my ass exit on the left. Only on the right. Yeah. Every every martial arts class I've ever taken the intake interview with a sensei. They always ask, you know, I hear you're looking to develop balance or at the exercise and the flexibility. And my stock answer is I just want to be able to take down the two largest guys on the cellblock and look at you like, are you are you facing jail? No, I'm just saying, you know, let's say I look like the sketch. And I'll write. You know, I've survived. Yeah, I want to survive the two weeks while they sort it out. So that's all I'm asking is because that's the I've got a friend whose son went to jail and prison actually and he told me this is because we were talking about this. He goes, Yeah, I here's the deal. In jail or in prison, oftentimes you're going to have to fight. Yeah. If you don't, you're just you know, you're just fresh meat. You're just somebody's bitch for the rest time. You're there. Somebody that you may lose. But it's better to yeah, it's better to fight and lose than it is not to fight. Yeah. And the guy came after son one night and they had this technique. I'd never heard of it. And I've read a lot of trashy fiction. It's called it's called a lock in a sock. So he took his lock from his locker and he put it in a sock and Tylenol. Yeah, the open in the sock and a lay there awake. And when the guy came in he just opened up on him with a lock in the sock and put him in a hospital. Oh wow. And never saw him again. Yeah, yeah. He said it was a matter of survival. Have to you know you're going to have to. Face that movie. What was that movie with the guy he's at on Slide ten? No, it was on to Adam Sandler's buddy's. He he did Deuce Bigalow Male Gigolo. That guy. Who was that guy? Oh, yeah. Okay. They got Schneider, right? Yeah. Rob Schneider. So he was he he was in, uh, he did a whole movie where he was an Israeli spy or something like that. I can't remember. Remember? He goes to prison. The first thing he does, he finds the biggest, horniest, most trashy person on the on the on the playground, basically. And bobs his ass. And that's so. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, I can I can feel that I can feel. That Shawshank Redemption. I. This is much different. Yeah, yeah. That's dark. Parts of it are very dark. Yeah. Well, I have a friend who an acquaintance who went to jail is very young man in his teens. Um, and I think he killed an acquaintance in, in a certain sense, accidentally, but still went to jail, went to went to juvenile jail and then went to prison. And he said the same thing. You got to fight. And he said, there was a guy who came in a slightly built Jap needs kid and the two largest inmates come to approach him. First day. And so the guy, the Japanese guy drops into a martial arts stance and then does a standing backflip, lands and takes a stance again. And they just said, no, I think. See, I know better. The reason it's like people who it's like big men that are afraid of Chihuahuas, right? Yeah. They can bite. Yeah, yeah. They can put a, you know, scratch to skin up, you know, bark at, you know, you. But I can just reach down and I'm a big I got to reach down and grab the Chihuahua by its neck and it can't hurt me no more. So. Well, he's the same. I said one. Why not? And he said he was saying, Frank, they probably could easily take him out and you know, he said if he knows any kind of martial. Arts, he just knew how to do. A backflip. Yeah, he may just have no idea like that, but see, the two guys cannot take the chance that in fact, he is Bruce Lee reincarnated. Oh, yeah. Because if they get their ass swept by a little Japanese guy, they lose all their equity, their credibility on. Which which goes to that. What we were talking about earlier, I mean, this is really interesting because that goes to exactly what we were talking about earlier, why men don't talk about their feelings, because it's exacerbated and it's amplified on the prison in the prison yard. Right. But that's exactly why men can't talk about their feelings, because if they do. They'll be late. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a male kind of a code because back, you know, thousands of years probably it's, you know, it's. Got to be billy belt and. You know yeah because if you wander in somebody else's territory when in the caveman days, you know, you were an enemy and they were either enslaved or. Killed, then they take you women, they take your wives. Everybody, everybody get and take it on up in the air. How do we change that? I think it takes time. It just generation after generation, slowly never going. To really get rid of it, though, because women want a manly man, even though they say they want everybody to be this way. That way men need to be responsible. They need to be good listeners. They need to be empathetic, but they also need to be men. Because when dating, none of the women I've never met a woman who didn't want to date me because I was too strong. They didn't want to date me because they knew it was going to get serious. They knew what I was looking for, but they'd never heard one say, Oh, he's too strong, he's too manly, because I'm also empathetic. And I also listen and I pay attention and I'm in a in a I'm a soft, gentle person when I want to be. Uh, well, and. There's a book. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no. There's a book club book called from years ago. Men are from Mars. One from Venus. Yeah. Written by to psychotherapy, by the way, who had been married at one point in divorce, which is a whole different story. But yeah, it's like we. Trust those people, though. I'm certainly trying not to. Laugh because it's like they're divorced I'm like, Well, maybe you should have taken Tom's advice of your book and maybe. Yeah, yeah, I just I just. I was like, it's like being a shop teacher with three fingers. You know how it all works. Yeah. I'm not very good at. But I said, you know, in the book that women want men, you know, who are empathetic, who are, you know. And I said, okay, ladies, let me set this up for you. It's Monday morning. It's been snowing all night. It's icy. It's slushy. You go out of the car to drive to work, you're running late, you turn the key. Nothing. Now when you go back inside. Do you want your husband or male significant other to go? Either a I feel your pain or b I'll get the jumper cables and get your pretty little fanny on the way in no time. Come on. Yeah, I think one was both. You know, somebody who is tough but tender. I mean, somebody who can. Yeah, but you can't be too much of either one. You have to find that middle ground, but you still have to be a damn man. I think maybe that's why you first started me. Because I figured the cable did it myself, and you're like, Why don't you wake me up? I have been okay with that. That is. That's hot. That's hot. Yeah, I know. She's trying to tell her. I was like, no. Yeah. Okay. My thought process. I work on cars. I wish I am not very good at that. My question is, is how can a woman who's either married or in a serious relationship with somebody and you start to notice that your significant other husband is having issues that make you concern for depression and suicide. What advice would you give her? Because I don't know. About ask him, are you depressed? Well, if you do that, is he gonna say no? Ask him if he's depressed. Okay. Now, whether he responds, you know, whether he's going to tell you or not, that's another story. But yeah, if you think somebody is depressed, ask if they're depressed. Yeah. And if you get admit they're depressed again looking for signs, is he having trouble maintaining his hygiene? Is he having trouble getting out of bed? Is is he seen be losing interest in been playing softball or whatever the you know. It's yeah and when I show him my tits he no longer gets interested. I don't understand. No. Yeah, that's not a. No. That's not okay. I just wanted to show scientists. Yeah. And I think. For me I don't know very many women that would be like, okay, he's had depression. The days go about their day and they wouldn't think anything other for me. I'd be like, okay, I'm on track. Him put his ass in the car and take it to the doctor. But that's me. Because. Well, that might get you in trouble too, if. That's true. Yeah. If he if he says he's depressed, the next step is, are you having thoughts of suicide? Ask you just that way. And if he said if he's honest enough to say yes, then the next question is, do you have a plan? And if he has a plan as detailed time, place and method, then you get him in the car. Yeah. Look, honey, I'm not going to get you locked down. I just want let's just go there and get you evaluated and find out what it is. Yeah. You know, because I had a friend in town here he was. He was terribly depressed. He went and got a physical, and doc says, your body's not metabolizing hard. So you put him on time released. Answer it. And boom, depression symptoms are gone. So sometimes violence present as mental health challenges. So it's true. But yeah, I would say ask him asking flat out. I'm not I'm not guaranteeing he's going to answer you honestly. But I think you need to ask that question because the last thing you would do is not ask the questions. Have something happened? If your intuition says he's depressed or your intuition says about your child, I think they're having thoughts of suicide. You have to ask them, Are you having thoughts of suicide? The old wives tale is You should never mention that for somebody who's depressed because it give them the idea like that didn't fucking cross my mind. Yeah. They already thought about that. I don't. Get that. It's like they're. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And the chances of them die by suicide, if you ask that question out loud are much less. Yeah. Because also that's out there but yeah. And you know you it yeah. They're not so alone because of nasty with mental illness. I fell into this when I first you know before I knew I had a diagnosis. I thought it was just me. I thought nobody else felt this way. Thought this way. Yeah. Turns out there's, you know, a quarter of the population has a mental health exam. So that's so it's. So I appreciate you talking to us today. I really do. And I really think it's something that people need to talk about more. I agree. And not have to and not sit around and wring their hands over. I mean, if you feel bad, you feel bad and you don't talk to someone, at the very least talk to someone. What was the number that you said people can text to? Yes, you text a word, help or connect or any word to 741741. And there'll be so many other end the line and you know they now have a nationwide in the US three digit suicide prevention lifeline 988 is the Nationwide three digit suicide prevention lifeline. Okay. And you generally get somebody who's trained at least, right? Oh, yes. And the more difficult and then. Yes, they'd rather have you call as you're cycling down, not as you're standing on the ledge. Yeah. And and also the as the simple one Denver 19880 and make sure you put my phone number in the show notes because every keynote I do, I put my phone number up on the screen. Okay. And I say, look, I say, look, if you're suicidal, call nine, eight, eight or text 741741. If you're just having a really bad day, call a crazy person. And here's my cell number. I get those people quite often, actually. Once a week or so, you know, because here's here's the power of what I do. It's it's it's something that men don't realize. And I think they get laid a whole lot often if they did it. Is that vulnerability is a superpower. Mm hmm. Yes. I'm successful. I'm funny. I'm not good looking, but I'm cute, and I'm also very vulnerable on stage. I get choked up when I tell my story and that jokes. Audience That's right. And when when I go on stage, unlike a clinician for whom all this is academic, I stand up there and my vulnerability is I say, Look, I am nuttier than a squirrel. And it allows people in the audience permission to give voice to their feelings and experiences. People line up after I get like two, five, ten people. I said, Look, I'll handle individual questions afterwards if you don't ask. And Q&A and sometimes just two people, sometimes just ten. And here's how the conversations almost always start. Frank, I've never told anybody this. Oh, I get that a lot. Wow. Because I've given them permission to do without recrimination, no stigma, no right judgments. Right. Exactly. And and they know that they don't have to explain a lot of that to me. I get it. I hear the same music I do. A young woman at a college in Virginia say to me, she came up at first she said, can I give you a hug. And I'm thinking, oh, Christ, everybody, everybody in a room has got a phone with a video camera and a camera. And I'm on a college campus. I'm 65. She's 18. And I could just see the headline in the photograph in the paper tomorrow, you know, Speaker Grove's coed. So I said, what. If the. You a how she does not know. Yeah and not knowing the horror so I gave her I'm sure I'm sure you've done this Paul. I was hugged where I moved the pelvis back as far as I possibly this. Time I hugged usually as kids. Yeah, yeah. There's there's. Daylight. There's daylight between my my midsection. Exactly. And I said to our you hug her. She goes, now I don't hug. I said, What was that all about? She goes, Well, I have some little challenges. I've been in therapy for about two years and the woman is my therapist is very good. She's got the diplomas on the wall. She knows her stuff. But you know what? No context. She goes, I'm back there at the back of the room listening to you 15 minutes into your little keynote. And this is a quote and she said, And you're inside my fucking head. I've gotten more I got more of that 45 minutes and I got a two years with blast. Oh, wow. That's the power of being vulnerable and starting that conversation. Yeah. And that's probably the that that's exactly what I learned when I was selling insurance, is that I had to be the same as them. I had to put myself in the same plane of existence as they are. We're all trying to just make it in this world and we're just trying to do our best and be the nicest person we can. But sometimes we got to look out for ourselves and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's exactly what I did. That's exactly the tact I had to take when I was still on insurance because I only had 10 minutes with these people. And well, I sell I sell TED Talk coaching. Yeah. And my big competition and it's good company. They get people to take stocks but they they have a staff of salespeople and one of the one of my clients had gone to them first because they run ads all the time on social media and, had talked to the salesperson and arranged a follow up call. And the follow up call, my client, who would have been there, their client said. I just you know, I can't afford it. And the guy, the salesperson came after him, you know? What do you mean, you can't afford it? And so they when they're chatting with me, I said, look, I charged $5,997. I said, you know, you can pay me up front, save grinding, pay me a hundred bucks a month for a year, no interest. And they say, you know, I need to think about it. I go out and just think about it, man. I would sleep on it. That's a big pile of money. Let me my cell number know sleep on it and, you know, call me back. You said to it, great. If if you wake up tomorrow morning, go. What the fuck was I thinking? I don't want to do it. I don't care. You Know it's a lot of money. Yeah. And. And the guy calls me back and he signed up. I think it's because, like you said, I got into his shoes. I'm 5000, 6 hours, got a lot of money, didn't pressure, didn't call him a pussy because he wouldn't do it. And guess who he signed with? So yeah I think people and you have a. Longer relationship with that person than you will with anybody else too. They'll buy more from you later. And though you might become long, you know, might become lifelong friends until that one fateful day when you fall off out of the the bed at the nursing home and hit your head on. The wall. As well. My my deal with my tennis coaching line is this. I say, look, how long is a program? I go, I call them out til death do us part program. We work on getting you attacks and your speaking career where you want it until we do all we both diatribe and back to expression. Paul I've had clients say to me at the end of the day it's just a discovery. Got 30 minutes. They have to beg me to tell them what it costs. Yeah. God save some of the calls. And I've had them say to me, No, I think I'll go with you. You know, I. I can see in your eyes. Yeah. Never since never tell them the price upfront because then you're done. Yeah. I don't know. I make them, make them. Make one more. That's right. I know. Empathy, compassion. Just caring about people I think sometimes goes a lot further than anything. What I found is that most people don't experience empathy and compassion and they really don't. And it's weird. You think you would think that would be more of a thing, but for some ungodly God, no unknown reason. Most people have never experienced true compassion or true empathy or true caring, even in their own personal relationships between their man and woman. And I don't understand that. And I know you don't understand. And that's why we get along so well. And when you think about this. Think about this in the sales process, my belief about business is something my mother learned my mother's knee. I didn't know I was learning it, but I did. She was a big networker. People would call her day and night and say, Dixie was her name. Dixie, Dixie, I need this. And she would do her best if she could to deliver, you know, connect them with somebody. Good, good. Okay. So I believe that's the heart and soul of networking is giving value first without expectation of return. And giving value first is empathy. You see what you can do for them before you figure out what they can do for you. Well, this can help anyone in their relationships as well because yeah, it's sales. It's sales isn't sales. It's just dealing with people. Well, they were buying you, Paul. They're buying me. Yeah, they're buying coaching. They're buying insurance. What they're really buying is you or me. Right? And the same thing that they're it's the same thing when you're when if you feel like, you know, you're depressed and whatnot, it's probably because, you know, you need a little empathy in your life as well. Or to feel empathy from someone else. Or to even feel empathy for else. Well, and one of the things I recommend to people who are living with depression or a mental challenges is do something nice for someone else because. It gets you out of your own head and your focus off yourself. And be it's is you're doing something good. Absolutely. Yeah. It's just one those I think is better. Yes, it does sell it can be a great piece of your self-care plan is to do something nice every so often for somebody else. No need for nothing in return just because you can do it. Yeah, I love doing I love doing that. I began my mother taught me. Do you guys have time for one last story? Sure, sure. Okay. I know we going pass an hour, but I was on Whidbey Island. I was taking a martial arts class and a woman in there named Elise. She came in Monday morning and she was crying. And I said, at least I try and she goes, My husband is in Nepal. We're trying to adopt a little boy, three years old from Nepal. And I said, Well, what's the rub? She said, Well, one, the visa to go to Nepal, very expensive. This is the last one we can afford to a week from Sunday, I guess in seven days you're going to have to fly home with or without the boy and three. Everybody signed off on the deal except the United States Homeland Security. And I said, wait a minute, the kids three. I mean, I've never had a three year old. But how big a terrorist can he be? I don't know. I mean, they're. Pretty they're terrorized. And shared attitudes is a real thing. And it doesn't end at two. Three, two, two, six. So her problem was we were in Washington state very blue and she was she was involved in politics. She knew both senators, you know, U.S. senators, but they were both Democrats, governor, Democrat. This is during the George Bush administration. So everybody in Washington, D.C., you make a difference as a Republican. So when she got done, I think my mother channeled through me. I said exactly what my mother would say. I said, I'll see what I can do. Now, I realized after I spoke it, I'm like, Fuck, did I say it. Out loud because. You got another? Yeah. I'm a comedian on Whidbey Island. A half a world away. Yeah. With no connections. And and somehow. But I believe if you give voice to something like that, your brain and the universe begin to work together. Yeah. Figure out. Okay, so I'm driving home and I thought, aha, there's a guy went to junior high school with and by the way with networking, I think it's like a garden. You've got to attend it, you got to stay in touch, you got to take care of your people. There's a guy went to junior high school with. When I went back to Raleigh to work in radio, he was mayor. We hung out and he worked for a very powerful Republican senator from North Carolina for a number of years. So he knew lots and lots of high ranking Republicans. And at the time, our governor for the state of Arkansas was the head of homeland security. He Mesa, Asa Hutchinson, essentially. Yep, yep. So I said to Tom, I ran a story for him and I said and Tom said, bless his heart. He said to me, I'll see what I can do. Hmm. I sense a theme. So, Tom, it was Monday. Tom called me back on Wednesday. I said, How'd you do? He goes, Well, I called Elizabeth Dole. She was a current senator from North Carolina, and I ran the story down for now, Tom and I have nothing politically in common. We're on opposite ends of the political spectrum. You know, when it comes to this kind of thing, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter about the it's about the people. So, Tom, I said what Elizabeth Dole say. She said that she had contacted Homeland Security. And what did what happened, Tom said and I quote, Elizabeth Dole said and I quote, I tore I'm a new. Asshole. For your old job. Give a damn pass. Yeah. A Southern woman at heart storm a new asshole. So the word went out in a different, like, patch, you know, like I took that pouch. Yeah. To the ambassador in Nepal. And so Homeland Security checked off course. I know none of this. I have no idea what's going on. So Monday morning I'm in class. No place, Tuesday morning in class, no something. And fuck it didn't work. Tuesday after class. I'm in the grocery store patrol buggy and around the corner comes Elise holding the hand. Oh. But darling, little three year old. Okay, now I'm crying. She's crying. His name is Ivy. Ivy looks me in the eye. Big brown eyes looks in the eye. And this is what he said. Ivy, go pee pee hahaha. And through my tears I said yes. And on American soil I American soil I do. So that's the power mean if I never do another good thing in my life. One small. How? Yeah, one small phone call. And I've changed the trajectory of at least three, I suppose. He goes on to be a doctor who creates a cure for whatever. I mean, you know, the ripple effect. Yeah. You never know. You can become a bank robber and blow himself up. But, you know, it could be a. They might be the person who brings to bed. Hey, now you're talking to my send me a day I was watching television today. A terrorist. I ask him, aren't you know what? You really want to blow yourself up and kill yourself? And he said this. You only die once. I've never done standup comedy. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, anyway, that's that. That's the vulnerable body and, and and reaching out and asking for help. Yeah. Maybe not for you, but for somebody else. And I. Know this and the. Power of those sorts of. Yeah. And listening. Yeah. And man. Yeah, I'll see what I can do. Fuck that. I say that out loud. But it's exactly what my mother said regardless. Even if she knew she had no idea how to do it, she said, Let me see what I can do. Um, well, so it's anyway. That's all right. I mean, it's been a, it's been a very much a joy to talk to you today. And I am yes. I really think that I really feel I hate that we said we think now. I feel I feel that, you know, it's something that more men and I think it is I think it's happening I mean the dreaded Jordan Peterson I know not everybody likes him politically, but he's brought a lot of attention to men's studies. Um, just because he's been out there with. The facts, just like you're out there with the facts, it doesn't matter. Your policy, politics, the facts are the facts. And that's really all there is to it. And we're, we're slowly chipping away through tick tock and through, uh, through, through Instagram, through Facebook stories. These story things have been really instrumental in chipping away at the stigma of being an idiot. If you're a man who has an emotion or if you're a man who is a man, um, so. Well, on that score, Paul, we, when we set out to write a book on men's mental health and men told us, if you're going to do that, we want real man, real stories and how they're really coping. Sort of a Chicken Soup for the Soul Style anthology. And so we figured we'd be lucky to get 12 guys to come out and discuss what their struggles were and how they were coping. Because, you know, because we're figuring, you know what, man, you're going to do this. Well, we ended up with 64 men. Wow. And a book became four books. So here's the thing about men and it's in the foreword to the first book is that it's hard to get a guy to go into therapy. Yeah, you probably have to back him into a corner. Look, honey, I love you, but I'm not going to put me and the kids through this. If you don't get help, we're out of here, he said. Once a man buys in, he's. He's all in. Yeah. And he's more than willing to help other men. It's comfortable in a warrior's code and and so that's, you know, these guys all came forward and they get some really serious, you know, drug and alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, whatever. And we were amazed. But I think that's a sign that times may be a change. And yeah, I and it's we're, you know, we're people like you and I because I talk about this just individually, not so much, you know, publicly, because I really I have an audience, but it's not a large audience. Like, you know, someone like yourself may have maybe one of these days it will be large enough and my voice will be heard more often when it comes to something, when it comes to this subject. But yeah, everyone I talk to, I am always like, be a man, but don't be an asshole. You know? Yeah, but. The two are not inexplicably. Yeah, they're, they're everything to different things. Exactly. And you can be on the left wing or you can be on the right wing and still be a man. You know, it doesn't matter. You can still be a man. And being a man is mostly about doing the right thing, having an even keel and not fucking anybody in the ass with your bullshit opinion. Whenever they're down on their luck. That's how I feel about it. Yeah, I. I would have put it a little more delicate. Not Yeah. That most of my political got. No, I'm. I'm kidding you. Most of my political commentary doesn't involve anal sex. Well You know, that's kind of the thing they do in Washington, you know? I mean, just. Oh, man. Oh, God, yes. No, that's so I mean, I'm just, you know, speaking the truth. Yeah. No, I know. I know. It's it's. It's warm. Everybody adds. So you're get nobody lives through one of my one of my interviews without going oh my God what's wrong with this man? Yeah, well, we establish that early. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we put. That to bed right. Away. But we every you guys have me on. Absolutely. And we look forward to to the success of your of your of your goal of helping people understand that suicide may seem like it's the answer, but in the long run, all you're doing is I mean, you're doing everything it's actually everything wrong, unfortunately. Well, here's the deal. Let's leave on a high note. Yeah, eight out of ten people are suicidal or are ambivalent. They cannot make up their mind. 910 give hints in the last week. So that means your audience and I love and when I speak, I like to make the audience a hero. You can make a difference. You can save a life, and you could do it by doing something as simple as falling on Andrew doing right here. And that is starting a conversation. Yeah. And give us those numbers one more time. The ones you can text. A text to 741741, the word help or connect. And then the new brand new three digit suicide prevention lifeline phone number nine, eight, eight. Right. And if and if they're really desperate, they can call you, right? That's correct yeah. And it happens. People call, people text. Yeah. I'll leave you with I'll leave you with the funny. Okay. A kid called me one time and he goes, I believe this is your real cell number. I go, Dude, how bad with the karma? B If I said, If you're having a bad day, call me and I gave you a fake number. Yeah. And I said, I'll, I'll make it worse. Oh please. And I said, I'll even go one step farther since I'm a comic, they all know music is another one bites the. Gun another one can, huh? Well, if it's any consolation, sometimes we do CPR. Stayin Alive is what we think in our head, so we could get the right tempo. And it had another level. Oh, by the way, in our song Do It, Nurse. And here's here's how I feel about nurses, because I've had two aortic valve replacements, double bypass, heart attack, three stents. Wow. So sounds like my dad. Yes. Awesome. It is. All of it's all familial. It's I got a bad valve for my dad, bad cholesterol for my mom. Of course I got a sense of humor from both of them. So it balances out. But I wish. That was true about me. My flaws. Yeah. I don't I don't see your name and balance in the same sentence anyway, right? Yeah. I'm a. Red Bull. In a China. Andrea and Mommy. Yes, Andrew. My philosophy of health care as a patient is to be everybody's favorite patient. And here's why I believe that. Because, you know, your professional, you do you do a good job for anybody who comes to the door. However, if you and I make a connection emotionally, if you like me and I'm not going to let her guide me exactly. Not on my fucking watch, you son of a bitch. You might push a little harder, breaking another rib. Bring me back. There are some things I've said, like not today, not on my watch. Oh, hell no. Not on my. Watch. No. Hail, hail. No. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So that's that's my feeling about it, because nurses and doctors come in, they change your medication, their 90 seconds are gone, the nurses are around clock. Yeah. So yeah, a lot of them follow the nurses, make them laugh, you know, because it's a tough job and, and I've made a really number I've been protesting one time and I thought everybody knew as a comedian and I won't be on vacation. She comes back and it was time for the shift change.

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00 And I had to angiograms incision in my thigh where they put in, you know the the probe. Yeah. And so the first thing they always ask is shift change is they want to take a look at the incision. I think if she knows who I am, she comes to the door, she goes, Ms.. King, I need to look at your groin. I go, What is it with you women? I remind you that there was a strike. Look at my groin. I feel like I feel like one of the strippers in that movie, Magic Mike. I said, okay, honey, you can take a look at it, but you better have a dollar bill. Oh, my God. She goes back. Yeah, she does a good job, very professional. But she goes back on the nurses station because they told me the next morning and she goes, okay, I give up. Who's the pervert? And 23. He had no idea I was a comedian. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's funny. See, I would have done that. Not a comedian. I probably would have laughed, you know? But I don't make. Enough money to give you dollar bills. Let me look at your groin. I want to look. Okay. You could do that. Oh, well, it's so nice. Nurses are so nice to meet you and talk with you. And I think it's wonderful what you're doing, and it's definitely opened up my mind on the men's side of this issue that I really didn't know a whole lot about. So now, so thank you very much for giving me your perspective. I appreciate it. Well, and you know what? And if you go to my website, the middle of comedian, the mental health comedian, I narrate, I'm narrating all the books, the men's mental health books, but I've already finished the first one. And if you put an email address in on my website, you can download the M.P. three abridged audio book. I narrate it for free. Oh, okay. So yep. Always free stuff's always good. Oh, yes, yeah. Free stuff is always good. Yeah. I had a ball narrating it and it's all right. It's I got a good audio editor when I, when I, when I heard what he could do with my voice, I heard the first chapter. I go, fuck, I'm good the ball you know he's take it out the lip smacks in the pops and the breasts and he's, you know, he's equal, you know? Yeah, yeah. I don't do that. Great job. I, I literally there's one place where we're going to cut here because we had a little technical glitch. I generally I've just kind of sworn that we're just going to post the conversation. I'm not going to cut it out, you know, unless. Yeah. And unless there's a really valid reason like it glitches and all you hear as well. I'm not going to post that, but I just post it because how else, you know, it's it's about being honest and true. And raw content. Yeah. Spain ourselves. Yeah. Being ourselves because I'm weird. Yeah. Yeah. Well, why belabor the obvious? The. Yeah. I'm going to. Start taking that personally in a minute. Yeah. Oh I feel your pain. Yeah. No I'm, I'm with you. Unless this is like deadly boring. I'll cut that out, but otherwise let it run. You know, here's the thing. One man's trash is another man's treasure. So who the hell knows what people are listening to, whether they like it or not and screw it? I mean, Friday nothing, man. Let's just put it out there. You're trying to make a difference. That's the whole purpose of this podcast is we're trying to raise awareness on different issues. And this one was something that's been very, very important to him and. It's very important to me because people I, I hate it when people think that the end of the world is nigh. And I'm like, now the sun will come up for another 400 billion years and the earth isn't going to crack open for another 200 years, at minimum, maybe 2000 years. So why don't I have a good time? Why you're here, man. Well, and you know the podcast, somebody may be tuned in today. Who? We may save a life just by the information we gave out. I agree with that. And my goal is to save a life a day. So if we did that today and that's a good day to work. And I always you know, I my entire life, that's what I do. I talk to strangers. If I see somebody who's sad and I do and I do this and I've done this and consciously done it, and it's part of the reason why I am the way I am. If I saw somebody that was sad or look sad or gave me that microexpression of, I just want to die, um, I engaged with them and did my damnedest to make them start smiling. At least, at least a flash of a smile in a micron spread expression. And that's that was my goal, because you'd never know when that little interaction helps. That other person not feel like a total piece of shit when they go home. Well, and if, if you listed a for you, if you look up the story of Kevin Hines, he jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said he was he was hearing voices and total recall himself and he thought, well, I'm in the Bay Area, I kill yourself in the Bay Area. And so he went on and of course, there's a website, How to Kill Yourself in the Bay Area. And they said bridges. And so he got on a bus and he said to himself, look, if anybody on the bus asks me how I'm doing, I'm going to spill my guts. Sam Suicidal. Please call the police. I need to be taken into custody. Nobody. Yeah. So he goes on the bridge. He says someone on the bridge stops me and realizes I'm struggling and says, Is something wrong? I'll same thing. I'll have him call the police and take me in and I'm about to hurt myself. So he sent looking over the side of the bridge. Somebody tapped him on the shoulder. He's thinking, Oh, thank God, and it was a terrorist. And they said, Would you take our picture? Oh, oh, gosh. And he goes, Sure. So he takes their picture. No sooner had they turned away, then he jumps over. Like most people. Yeah, like most people, I guess. Pretty much everybody who jumps, who survives. As soon as you let go of the you thought, oh, this is not a good idea. Yeah, that's usually where it goes. Yeah. So he hits the water, it hurt his back, but he survives. He goes down, he comes back up, he's treading water and he feels something large, an aquatic bump his leg and he thinks to himself a shark website didn't say anything about fucking sharks. I survived the drop off the Golden Gate Bridge. I'm going to eat. My sharks there. Well, it was it. Was a sea lion zilla. And they probably have someone. To say. If somebody. Anybody. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They if anybody in their entire journey. No. Read them and said hey man, you okay. Yeah. That would have been all it took. Just that simple question. That's exactly why I do it, you know? Yeah. See, you're you're wired that way. But, you know, I've lived in California. That I lived in for a while. So. Hi. I lived in a Hudson. You know the freedom? Yeah. You know, the the freak factor in L.A. is so high that people really don't want to make eye contact. They're afraid if they open the conversation. You never know who's going to go ask the next. That's great. I was there in the nineties right after Rodney King, and I was like, Wow, this person's crazy. The guy I'm standing out in front, I was collecting signatures in front of a Kroger, I think it is, for they're trying to put weed on the ballot. This is in the 99, like 92, 93. And I'm collecting the signatures. This dude runs out of the Kroger or IGA, where the hell it was? I mean, I was young man. I could barely bury old enough to drink. He runs out yelling at you a bunch of racist, this man and the other. And I'm like, okay, interesting. And he goes across the street and sets a mechanic shop on fire that had nothing to do with whatever was going on inside of Kroger. And I'm like. What the. Hell is going on, man? It turns out they wouldn't sell him beer because he didn't have his driver's license. Oh. So you go set a mechanic shop on fire. Across the street. There's nothing to do with anything. That way you could just go to jail and still not get beer. Yeah. Well, you probably get more beer in the L.A. County jail than you can outside. Well, here, here's a I started to sort of tag that about paying attention because that's what comedians just get paid to pay attention. Yes, we do observe things. Yeah, people are fine. So. That's right. Yes, I'm a I'm in the San Francisco station. It's on my way. I'm driving up to Portland to the airport. So I'm I get a cup of coffee. So it's like three in the morning. I got I'm making cup of coffee. This guy comes in and he and he says, I'm by just getting out of jail and trying to buy Cigarets. And in Oregon, you can't buy Cigarets unless you can prove you're over 18. And and so he's he's now he's mad because he can't buy the cigaret. Right. And, and he screams at the clerk you got to some of the cigarets. I know the law. I'm thinking you just got you just got out of prison. You don't know that. Well. Exactly. And then he decides he's not going to get the cigarets. It goes the door opens it. He yells at the clerk, This is that empathy thing. Yeah. You know, I'm I'm in pain because the clerk is in pain. And so he yells at the clerk, I'm never fucking coming in here again. It walks out the door and slams it. So I lock eyes with the clerk and I go, Do you think you get that in writing exactly. You know what I'm saying? What's happening? There is a promise to keep that promise. Yes, please. And here's here's the power of empathy. When I said that the clerk knows that I know how they're feeling, I took note of it and I wanted to help ease their pain. That's the power of empathy. And if it works for me. Yeah. As human being amazing whatever I'm. Yeah, go ahead. If I'm in line the at the counter at checkout to rent a car and the guy in front of me scream at the clerk and I've gotten more upgrades this way the screen screams green screen for free. And then he stops off. So I walk up and they say, what, driver's license? Credit card, you know. Do you have a reservation? Yes. And I wait a couple of seconds. I go. Listen, I just have one question. At what point during this transaction am I to yell at you and they just light up and I get the upgrade? Because that is an empathetic statement. Yeah, I just saw what happened. I took note of it. I know it was wrong. Yeah. Let's just share a little funny, you know, funny moment. Yeah. And that's, you know, that's kind of the key to life, too. It really is. If you if you're somebody who's in pain, like most comedians and most creatives, we actually are in emotional pain lot. We just live with it and go on. Try to have the best thing we can do. Um, you know, we know these things and that's why we're goofy and that's where we have a good time, and that's why we don't really care, because it doesn't matter. Man So again, if you're having issues, if you think you need to talk to somebody, please reach, out to anyone and make sure that you're safe. And remember, tomorrow's another day, which will be a happy day guaranteed. Well, and another one. And remember this, Chad. You may feel like the world would be better off without you, but chances are no that is not okay. So exactly opposite. Unless, of course, you're Hitler or Stalin, then. Okay, we could see that. Oh, gosh. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like. Yeah. It's like I talk it's like I talk to Gallant and usually it comes out by stepping in front of a train. I said, like, don't. I'm not going to say that. Okay, so I'm going to not do it that way. Yeah because if you step on the tracks, you know, like eyes of an engineer, you're going to kill yourself and ruin their life. Yeah. Now, by the same token, if you if you want to take someone with you, for God's sake, strap on the explosive vest, find some raging asshole, wrap your arms around it and hit the button. And do the right. Remember, there's a difference between ass and asshole. Asshole. Yeah, exactly. Because I'm just an ass. I'm not actually an asshole. Please don't push the button. Yeah. All right, man. I really do appreciate it. And I guess next time I'm working on our next guest for our next podcast and I'm thinking hopefully we'll get somebody you're really cool that talks about, oh, I don't know, maybe some poltergeist. Or something similar. Creston Hotel, Eureka Springs. I've got to get a hold of that dude and get him on here. He'll do it. He just doesn't want to speak for the crescent, which is fine, but he can just tell me his general stories. Oh, I've had experience there, so I can talk about that. Sorry. So anyway, I appreciate you guys. Guys. And thank you, Frank, very much. Yes, thank you. And you guys know, September is there's a week in September that is national I'm sorry, International Suicide Prevention Week and September 16th is International Suicide Prevention Day. Nice. So I'm not sure when this will air. But, you know, I have had a lot of. Oh, good, perfect. And September 1st to September. That's super sweet. Perfect, perfect. Yeah. And we appreciate it. And if you need anything else or you want to have us on something to talk about whatever, and you want to, just, like, make the audience completely appalled. I'm at your service. Yes. You know, counseling. All right. Thank you, guys. And we'll talk to you again. This, uh, my name's Paul. And you are? Andrea. Andrea? Yes. And maybe we should have Stephanie on talking about witchcraft again. Okay. I don't know. I try to get Donald to do it, but his. I get some questions for her. Yeah. Look up, look up. Karen, Ron Koski, Karen, Ron Tarkovsky. All right. 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Human Body Parts For Sale- WTF?!?!?!

Paul and Andrea have an interesting topic for everyone this week. So, hold on to your butts. Jeremy Pauley, a self-proclaimed “Collector of Oddities,” thought purchasing human remains through Facebook would be a great idea. Pennsylvania authorities, needless to say, aren’t too keen on this and arrested Pauley. Upon investigating, Pennsylvania police - with help from the F.B.I. – discovered that multiple buckets of human organs, skin, and bones came from Little Rock, Arkansas. The question we raise is Why? These parts belonged to someone. How can you even mail human remains?

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On July 22nd, 2022. Jeremy Polley, aged 40, was arrested. His charges were abuse of a corpse, receiving stolen property and dealing in the proceeds of unlawful activity. He received human body parts using Facebook Messenger. So Paul, what do you think of this guy? That this guy. Yes. What's his name? Jeremy Potente or something? Holly. Holly. Yeah. Jeremy Guy. The other reason why this case, I think this jumped out at me the most is the simple fact that he got the body parts Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uams is our medical school in Little Rock has luckily gets body sometimes donated for the medical students. And nursing students there. And whenever they're finished with the body parts using from school, to this mortuary in central Arkansas to have them cremate him. Well, I guess this lady, But she used the U.S. Postal Service. Yes. Now she but she sent three five gallon buckets like paint buckets, like the crap that, you know, just paint. I guess, as equivalently out of of five gallon buckets of just parts. But what I don't understand is like, okay, you go to the post office anyways and it's usually a long line and you get to pick your box or you bring a box. How do you how do you mail that in? They ask you all these questions like, do you have hazardous materials and do you have this and this and this and this? I mean, obviously, she flat out, I guess, would lie and be like, oh, this is none of that stuff. I mean, how do you how do you do that? I mean, how do you not smell? Smell? Well, those things are sealed, man. But it's paint. You can't let paint seep out. I don't know if she necessarily put in a gallon bucket, but also, like the reports I've got saying she mailed it to him. So I guess I have this vision of this woman putting these parts in Tupperware and sealing it up and mailing it to Pennsylvania. I'm more than likely they were I suspect that they were in bags. But still bags leak. Marked with, you know, the new Amos. I don't think she bought the homes because. I know she probably just took them and threw. Them in the well, she's part of the mortuary so I guess assume you know, she wants to she's going to get four. Now, just be clear. That's not your. Message. No, no, no, it's not. Um, she works for the mortuary that cremate them. It was at Central. Arkansas Central Mortuary. Yeah, but what I don't understand is how do you mail those? How do you mail those without. Well, you can mail anything. Ah, you can mail technically anything. And I was. Not supposed. To know I was looking at the Postal Service's stuff about like what could you mail. And they have directions for everything from like dead wild animals to warm blooded animals to bees to medication to hazardous materials to there was really nothing specific, even blood products. You can't mail radium radioactive stuff, though. Well, then how does a hospital get like there? Told me that yesterday. They probably get it mail in some specific type packaging because they have to. We don't Arkansas doesn't exactly have like, you know a plant that uses their contrast up the road. I'm sure it has to be mailed to them somehow. Jim Bob's record service, he just happens to have an MRI. That's very. Scary. Anyways. But I mean, it was kind of interesting to say that, but there's no specific thing that I could find in there that says, if you're going to marry a mary, if you're going to ship a heart, here's what's here's a directions on how to ship a heart. So I would love to like if there anybody postal service out there that's like more studios to understanding some of this stuff is anybody go on the website it's like section 5.5 A says this. Is welcome to government bureaucracy at its best the U.S. Postal Service which is probably why that they lose money every single time you mail an envelope. But this guy, though, that received them, he's supposedly he's a collector of oddities. Okay. And I'm thinking oddities. Well, I like true crime podcasts and a lot of that has oddities that go with it. But I'm not one to like, have like 20 human skulls and three full skeletons in my house. Which is which he does. Which he does. Because we went to this, I guess, Andrea, you went to the his websites and stuff. He did a little research on him. What is this guy? I mean, is it. He's part of something called and I'm probably going mispronounce this a grand wunderkammer and the website was really actually interesting. It's kind of like a group of people that put together festivals around Pennsylvania, surrounding areas for like ghost tours or paintings or kind of a little bit of the macabre stuff, but not like saying, Hey, we're going to have live body parts here, come look and touch. It's come look and touch. You know it like that. No. Okay, that would be scary. But but you know, I mean, there's people that are into that. To each their own. I mean, if you're really into that, I'm happy for you and stuff. But my question is, is, okay, he's really into that. But another thing interesting about this guy is I found out that he likes to do blood paintings. It's just that's not hygienic. No, that's not hygienic. And, you know, also in this wonder came in thing, it talked about how they have a full body mist on site and one of their little festivals will draw your blood and have some sort of gift for your loved one. I mean, do each their own, but not my cup of tea. But, you know, hey, I mean, welcome to America. You can get your gift. It's a painting of me in my own blood. Welcome to the HIV support group. Oh, my gosh. But he's what, like picture paintings and the memento Mori Museum. He's the director and curator of that. He has been to that little museum, sir. It's not even a museum. Throw in is in his house. Maybe, but let's see here. He has like a picture. He's drawn pictures of, like various serial killers and blood paintings. He even has some of his paintings that is shown up in a, I guess you could say kind of a dead Mid-Card museum in New Orleans. Yeah, but those again, those museums are thing. If you've never been to those some of those places are literally a hole in the wall and it's like a ten by ten room or not even that, like an eight by 15 room that has a storefront. And just because they call themselves a museum doesn't mean it's something that everybody in their dog wants to go see. Although it could be just the opposite because there are some big ones. But yeah, I don't I don't know. People are into some really weird stuff, man. But he's got in the Museum of Death in New Orleans, he has Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy paintings. And he has a picture, a painting, a marie Antoinette and the Gettysburg Dame Museum. And supposedly on some of the stuff. From the Gettysburg Day Museum might be something bigger. But I don't know. We need to figure out. We probably should research those places a little bit just to see if they're actually anything that's real or just some dude's got a closet. Oh, yeah. Here's the museum. Back in. Back here in the back. Excuse the shirts. I needed some extra space. You know, he's just kind of in his closet in the back of the house. But, I mean, I guess my question is, is, where are you getting the blood from? Are you like. Well, the phlebotomists on site, they draw your blood and then they draw it? Well, this. Is for something totally different. Like he's doing his like it said in the article, I was reading that he got his blood from various friends and things like that that would donate. And then, you know, he got it from his wife. But then I read other sources. He's divorced. And so, I mean, to each letter. From his wife, has anybody seen the wife? I wonder how she's dealing with all this. Well, you missed that went all the all day long. He got his his wife. His wife donated her blood. But now she's the ex-wife. Has anyone seen her since got. Oh, my. Gosh. Star wide. She's not the body parts, I would hope. She's not the body parts in there. But this guy. Is my ex-wife, Jill. You can tell by the shape of her skull. Yeah, really. But another thing about this thing is, you know, he $4,000 of organs and skin. Well, a human head nets 800 bucks. What are you going to do with it? Well, I don't know. But what disturbs me is I this is my point. The people who thought they were donating their more than likely they got they thought they were donating either their body or their family member's body to science. So they send it to the UMC, where they charge wannabe doctors a bunch of money to cut into this corpse that they got for free, which kind of annoys me. They should be paying the people who donate to the families, you know, pay whatever. I guess it's in trade because they pay for it to be cremated. But and, and they expected all this is for science. This is to train a new doctor. And now their skull is hanging on the wall of some idiot who thinks he's Billy bad ass that bought this $800 skull. And he's just he can barely talk to anybody on the street. And there they are for the rest of the eternity now hung on some idiots wall. And that person who died, I'm pretty sure didn't want that. I would put money on it. Probably not. I mean, one. Out of ten, maybe even like I care. But, you know, I mean, the lady that is selling these to this guy, number one, it's Facebook messenger. Okay. What are you like on Facebook? You know, they have like Facebook marketplace and stuff like that. Under what area of marketplace are you saying I'm selling? Well, they say Marketplace did, but. How else how are you going to market the messenger. Message? She maybe she's always playing devil's advocate for this kind of stuff. Maybe she's like, hey, I got somebody part to you want it. And he's like, Sure, what you got? Maybe. But what gets me is. Paid her four grand. It said in all the reports, anonymous tip, anonymous tip. Sometimes one. Of her friends or one of his friends. Could be. I mean, think about it. If you're like a mortuary worker working with this lady and you're saying that she's making some money on the side, doing something that's considered, you know, probably totally in. The door unlocked for Mr. Jones, the high school principal who has a weird fetish for dead feet. Oh, God. Okay. That's actually a thing that's been there's a few people that have been arrested and put in jail for exactly that man. Things out there. But, you know, or it could be the gentleman here, Mr. Polya, maybe his neighbor sees some weird packaging. Maybe it's a U.S. Postal Service guy he has to deliver. The package is like this package is a little stinky. What is in here? It's it's sloshing around. I'm not sure what it is. I just totally baffles me. But, you know, poor you. A mess is, like, apologized, you know. And so how awful they feel and things like that. And it's our medical school in Arkansas and it kind of hits close to home because it makes you wonder for me what else is going on in this world that people have just not gotten caught. And I know people are laughing and thinking, well, welcome to the world of true crime and serial killers. And everybody is nuts in this and the other. But it's like body parts. I mean, I looked up. They have a child's mandible in there. Yeah. Come on. You have you got to have some sort of morality there. A child who has no morality is not. Maybe this Jeremy dude has morality, but he's just interested in this kind of stuff. Because you told me when we were talking about this earlier that we used to do this kind of stuff all the time and not until like the last hundred years. And we stopped doing it. Yeah. Like I was reading something about Edinburgh and Scotland, you know, it was the seats back in Victorian era of medical education. Yeah. And you know they had. Wonder nobody could get anything right back then. Make it. Try to understand the Scotsman. He's got a little bit of excitement and behind you have no idea what you just said. But they used to have the bodies donated to medical schools. Had to be convicts, so. Well, no, they had to be executed criminals. Executed criminals. So if you think about it, though, people are wanting to learn medicines wanted to advance and there was grave robbing and it was considered completely 100% okay. If they left all their clothes and their valuables. Behind ground. Yeah, they just took the body so they had to undress them. The whole nine yards, but they made a lot of money. I think all this boils down to money. It's like this Candice Scott, was she like. Yeah, that's the person who has no morals. Desperate for $4,000 for whatever reason. More than likely, she's just like, Ooh, I want that Gucci purse. I would like to think she's, like, not selling bodies for Gucci purse. I, you know what people have done way worse for a way less true. I would like to hope to think that maybe she was just ignorant in the simple fact that selling body parts is illegal. But if she stole them. She did. She did. Still not hers to sell. But I did look up in the Pennsylvania statute what abuse of a corpse is because I was kind of like, okay, abuse of a corpse and. Terrible, that's for sure. Yes. Corpses really don't care. You could cost them all day long. And they're just like, hmm. Whenever you're gone. But I was curious because I only heard the term abuse of a corpse and like reading stuff on Ted Bundy, Milburn, that kind of thing. So I'm like, define. Their abuse of a corpse was ooh, hey, baby, what's sad when some wine. Yeah, that's. Not. That's not what we're talking about here. So I was curious like what defines it and it's pretty broad is said abuse of a corpse is defined as no person except as authorized by law which would probably the mortuary I'm guessing by that comment, shall treat a human corpse in a way that the person knows what outrage reasonable family sensibilities are communities sensibilities. This is one of those laws where it's not really a law. It's like hate speech kind of thing. I mean, there's some definable hate speech, but again, just because someone is a freak and offended doesn't mean it should be illegal. I'm not defending any of their actions, but it makes me wonder like, okay, that's pretty broad, you know, family sensibilities or community sensibilities to some people, community sensibilities or family sensibilities. It may be okay to take the body and sell it and make it for something or dress it up and whatever or do whatever you want to do. But to other people, it's not shocking. So the laws, though, I agree that I think, you know, selling is wrong. I could see somebody defending that and using saying that it's too broad. If if I you know, it's a it's a fine line because where do you draw the line on freedom? Your relative died, the relative signs of paper saying, do whatever you want to. If they burn me, sell me, give me away, shoot me in the face. I don't care. Whatever you want to do if the person that the bones belong to signs an affidavit in front of a notarize and an attorney, why can't we? It's their stuff. But it did give examples in the state. I did find some examples. Some examples of abuse of a corpse is improperly disposing of a body. Steal or sell human organs. Don't just dump it off the cliff. Or get rid of. It in your neighbor's yard. Bury you know they may deserve it. Bury the body in the wrong plot. Really? Yeah. Somebody was doing that. We know they were. I mean, busy mortuaries. Well, yeah, you put 15 people in one hole, and you charge 15 people for 15 holes, but you only do one hole and you just put tombstones. No, I should have. It's like I could see that happening. Grandma Smith getting mixed up with somebody else's. Grandma Smith. But I can still see that happening when I was. Well, yeah, but. People are greedy, man. Well, you know, I do know that, like in the hospital, anybody that's got the same name, it's like, you know, name alert, name alert, this, that and the other. I don't know if they have that same sort of thing. Oh, hell no. With people with common last names. I mean, do you put like in these big old, you know, I guess refrigerators. All that back then was totally. Well, now I'm thinking like, do you like keep make sure that this Smith is not next to the other Smith's, you know, getting. Confused. And it's not like you can go ask him up in the drawer, say, hey, man, which one are you? Okay, cool. Thanks. And you don't want to ask your family members this is your. Smith because that would that would. Not go well. So I got three Smiths in here right now. I got some pictures. But can you just imagine the family members having to figure that out? Oh, my God. I never saw Grandma since she died. There's a picture. Bucket list out in Pennsylvania. All of that is a misdemeanor of the second degree, and it's two years in prison upon conviction. And up to. Up to. And that statute, 5510 it's a state statute in Pennsylvania. These guys parts from 40 people. Is that 40 charges? It would be because they're each one's a different class. You'd have to figure out where it those parts belong to. And, well, if they're labeled in the U.S. as bad. I don't think she put him in you have mess bag and she. Had to be it because when they take the stuff out they have to label it this who is it is and whatever. I think they only figured this out because someone got a hold of their Facebook messenger conversation. We've seen somebody squealed and somebody. Facebook go to squealed. I mean, they do monitor everything you do. True. I mean, it doesn't ever say who did it. It says, you know, anonymous tip. But if you think about it, though, they she did it once and then she got caught because their messenger conversation showed of a second shipment coming and they caught it. Wow. So twice now. Twice. So I don't I would like to think that she didn't literally I mean, come on. If you don't want to get. The person that should go to jail is is Jeremy. Dude. He accepted the transaction. They both should really get some salt. I know, but, I mean, she should. She should have felony. She should. It's easy. It's easy to put her in jail because she stole and received $4,000 for body parts, right? Yes. That's technically a felony, I think. Or is it 5000? It's a felony in Arkansas. I can't remember. They upped it. Well, you have to think about it this way. How do you charge it? Is it in Arkansas or is it Pennsylvania? I guess you charge it here in Arkansas. I don't know if. She stole she literally took it from the premises of the mortuary mortuary services. So that's where that crime occurred. The other crime is him accepting it, right? So that's it, really. They both should be punished. But then. But mail fraud. Oh, my God. They have this massive mail fraud charges if they really want to do it. I bet you we see that coming from the U.S. prosecutor because the feds are involved. The FBI is involved. I bet you a dollar we see in the future a a mail fraud charge and that can get you 5050 years. But what I could we I couldn't find this moment anywhere we I. Oh yeah we we found her but we can't be sure. So, you know, if I was her and knew this was Boston, I'll be remove myself from social media in a heartbeat because, you know. But I couldn't find anything on her. I couldn't anything. I went on the Internet of what she look like, where she worked. And obviously we know where she worked. But I mean, like anything about her was her charges where she arrested. I found one woman that had a couple of friends at people at UMass, but they none of none of her employment issues or anything like that. So it's I couldn't figure I you know, it could be her guessing it's a good lead, but it's not. They're not really covering her. They're covering. This. She should be the one that's covered, man. Maybe they're keeping it quiet. Maybe there's a big conspiracy going on. I would it would be that their mortuary services were like, now let's sell this stuff, make some money. That could be true. That could be true, though. I don't know. For a while. The mortuary place I couldn't find anything on the Internet that said anything anywhere. Facebook is I looked at all sorts of stuff. Twitter, I couldn't you. Amy made a comment. What did they say. And how they're deeply saddened by the situation. With the mortuary. People were like unavailable for content comment. But you think about it. I mean, their employee did this, their employee I did look on their Facebook website and to see if maybe she was on there and found a picture of some gentleman and stuff out there, you know, obviously advertising their business, but nothing specific but if I was the owner of that place, I'd be so embarrassed because this is like in CBS News, FOX News. Oh, it's everywhere. It's everywhere. And I guess I was interested in it because it's like, how did you mail this stuff? And this is Arkansas. We really don't want anything negative leave, you know, coming back on this state because we already have enough negative press on in. We live in northwest Arkansas, which is almost an entirely different world than the rest of the state. This is very true. And we're we're very modern. We're about four or five years behind the rest of the United States as far as big cities are concerned with how we do things, what we do, media, signage, restaurants, all that stuff. So we're a little bit behind. But that's just because there's only about 800,000 people living within to two and a half counties, basically. Yeah. And so, you know, the big corporations don't quite come out here as quickly as they do everything else. But you get down on the Little Rock, it's a big town. It's supposed to have everything and it doesn't. It's we've got more stuff up here than Little Rock does. But, you know, it's weird because the rest of the state is extremely poor. Yes, very poor. We have rice fields to the east. Well, to the southeast. Southeast, yeah. And it's just nothing but forestry. And in the hot springs is it's just hilly as hell. The Ozark Mountains up here between here and Mountain Home is just between here and Jonesboro. It's it's bad. You try to drive that there's, there's no direct link between Northwest Arkansas and Jonesboro. They were on the same latitude on the globe. Right. You think you could just drive over? But we can't because the hills are too steep and the rivers are too. It's just crazy. The the topography between North Fayetteville, Arkansas and Jonesboro. So we have to drive to Little Rock and then up to Jonesboro, basically making the trip twice to get there once. Yeah, but this state's great for people for fishing and hunting and outdoor camping activities and things like that. So excited. Well, it's beautiful here, though, you got to admit. It's beautiful, especially in the fall. I grew. Up here. It's just broccoli, nothing but broccoli. It's trees. Broccoli. It's just never ending broccoli. It's what it looks like to me. It's pretty trees. Not really. But get this, though, can you imagine the police department walking in after this tip that this guy is supposed to got body parts? Guy has to open that bucket. If it's open or if he even has a lid on it. You just walk it down to the basement, you know, and then he sees all these him going. To do with that. I mean, you just have to get a he's he had a human heart in there. Right? Heart, lungs, trachea, skin, liver. You know, he make lampshades out of the books, out of the skin and stuff and sell it like that. If people want that this again. Again and again. Again. I mean, he was a creepy dude. He's a whole other topic, guys. But no people. You mean if you have a book that if you're into that kind of stuff, is the book made from human skin? You know, I, I would be worried about is I would want records of where all this stuff comes from because what if one of them was murdered. Through I and think about that. And then now you've got the body parts and they say yeah you have a and you just happened to be in town the day they were murdered. You just have to have a set of DNA tested. I mean, it's it's a yeah, it's a liver sitting in a bucket. Unless you've got paperwork, I don't know how they can link it back a bottle county. I have not. Come on. It's a movie reference. I know, but I'm just like. Oh, and you got Roll with the Strokes, man. Hey. He kind of wrote these. He loves getting me, hasn't he? But think about it. This poor guy's doing his job, and he looks down is like, Oh, my God, there's like a liver in a bucket. I mean. It wasn't like Big John. I told her yesterday, I have to work this joke in. Okay, remember the joke? I think I might. Go ahead. This guy at the mortuary. Oh, right. Yeah. This dude comes in, he's dead, and he's like, interesting, interesting. And he goes. Goes to embalming, man. The guy's got, I guess, huge backlog. The biggest one he's ever seen is, like yells at the guy working with him. You can you can look at this and he's like, Holy crap, that's the biggest one I've ever seen. And he just takes a knife and chops it off, puts it in a jar. Formaldehyde. Wow. Puts a lid on it, takes it home and says, you won't believe what came through the mortuary tonight. He pulls it out, shows his wife and his wife goes, Oh, my God, big Bob's dead. Remember that? I remember that. But, you know, speaking of things like that, you know, supposedly divorce, you know, Rasputin had his little penis in a jar, supposedly, that was a myth around Russia. But I don't know, I. I know this whole thing sounds like something off of, like a criminal minds kind of show or Forensic Files or something. I mean, think about it. I mean, the guy, if you guys are gone online, see him. He's a very interesting look at it. He's got one half of his face tattooed. He's got implants in his head. And place in his head. Coming out. He's got those big rings in your ears. Yeah. He's got like piercings in his lip teach. There and he's got piercings and other places that the normal folks who are like kind of sensitive in some areas of their body would be like, no, that it's going to hurt. Too bad. Well, it says he's like a into that kind of thing like he would do that type of tattooing and border piercing and body art does that. Danny Yeah, he did. I couldn't find that's still a current thing or not. It's kind of. Got to be licensed for that. But he's got four grand to buy body parts. He's probably got money. Because he's tattoo and people love because that that's all you know that's all labor there's no there's there's no real investment in your ink and stuff for stuff like that. So when they charge $10,000 for a tattoo, you're just paying for their artwork. Yeah, I just I can't get over that. And like, what else is advertised on Messenger? I would like to go on there and find. No, you wouldn't. I probably would never leave the house, but I would be curious. Like what other weird stuff for people like. Us did on there, for sure? Well, that's kind of. Yeah, that I could. Message every chicken. Your phone book. Hey, I got 20 bucks. Let's see which one responds. No, that's not a good idea. You don't exactly go in a messenger, be like. Hey, I can't remember your other is your friend on Facebook? Yes, exactly. But I don't. Know. I wonder what his mom thinks of this going now, son, you really can't keep writing body pleasers. She's either in on it with him or and says, Oh, that's good, son, I really appreciate that. Or disown that, disown him like crazy. You really think about it as a mom, you have to be very supportive of this or don't ever talk to him again. I don't know. Is there a middle ground for that? I'm not a parent, so I haven't. I guess if Alex was to come up to me like, Hey, Mom, or if I found out that he bought, like, I don't know, a bunch of buckets of body parts, I would be like, okay, son, you're going to go to jail. Maybe. M.B. Illegal thing. I did say, though, in some of the sources, he bought some of the parts legally and then some of them illegally. So my question is, and I couldn't really I need to like try to find a head of research as to what makes them illegal and what makes them legal. Well, for one, if you have a skull that's been in the family for 150 years or longer, it's not at that point. It's decoration. It's still duff define as abuse of a corpse. If you think about it, I. Know by. The law. A normal person would think that it's got this skull. He's weird and he's going to sell it. Okay. It's been in the family for generations. I think normal person would be like, All right, go on. But to get a fresh one is different. Well, back in the day, people used to bury their people literally in their backyard in a wooden coffin, sort. Of saying. That was considered normal. But now, if you were to do that, it's considered abuse of a corpse. Well, you have to have the big you know, now you have to have they had to dig a giant hole. It's not just a six foot by four foot by six foot hole. Right. Because you bury people six feet underground so they don't come back up. So they don't float to the top. But it didn't work that way anymore. Now you've got to put a mausoleum basically a concrete yet to put up a big concrete tub in the ground, then put the casket in the ground, then put a concrete top on it and seal it, then bury it. Then that's what you have to do. Now. I'm sure lots of places don't do that. No. Every funeral I've been to in the past 15 years, that's the way it's done. But they won't let you do it otherwise. But but the Jewish belief for some, for me, everyone else has a different opinion on this is we don't want to be in a fancy coffin. We don't want to be in a coffin at all. Some of them are just buried in a shroud. Some of us are buried in a a box. And other people have big stories and funerals. It's is depends upon the person. I think they'll let you do that if you can prove the religion aspect of it. But if you're a Baptist now, you get you're getting it. You're getting a concrete box. Hmm. You know. Maybe that's another thing we could talk about is, you know, I'm curious about this. Maybe we can actually find a mortician to talk to you. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sort of one of these weirdos who tells I'm just people, these very nice people who I want to talk to my podcast, I'll call Weird afterwards. They would talk to us. I mean, I'm curious because, you know, back in the day before, people really understood medicine. They would bury them alive. They didn't understand coma, they didn't understand illness, whom. The bell tolls. And they used to have these fancy things where they would have bells upon the, you know, the lovely headstones and things like that or tubes for them to breathe or things like that. Yeah, they have a bell on a string and if you weren't dead, it was in the coffin. And they'd bring it in. And if you'd find that string you pinging and they come and dig it up soon as a kid. Can you imagine? I would be curious to know how many of that actually turned around. Because it was something we. Didn't understand about coma or. Well, they didn't know how to take blood pressure or even that you had a heartbeat. They didn't know they didn't know how to check for this. I mean, I. Think it seems pretty obvious to us, but. You can listen to that kind of stuff. But then again, you can still get a pretty faint heartbeat unless you know where you know where you're. Well, it's sort of somebody who's if you get sick enough, your heart can slow to nothing true. And it won't be very hard for your blood. Pressure's through the floor, but you're still alive. You're not going to hear that heart. But I don't know. I mean, bubble above. That's pretty you know, it's pretty obvious through stethoscope even if you put your ear to it. Edgar. Edgar Allan Poe. Yeah. That heart followed him around forever. Remember? Now, Poe, Tell-Tale Heart. It's been a while since I've read. Oh, okay. I like Poe. You know, I like. I like Poe. But, you know, I just can't get over that guy. Huh? He killed that guy. And so because he felt it wasn't he didn't feel guilty about it, but then he did. And all he ever heard was the heart beating bum bum. Bum po po was going to make a to scare the shit out of people. Well because it was really his subconscious. Yeah, exactly. It wasn't a ghost, it was his subconscious telling him what you did was bad until he finally, you know, did it. Did what he did. Poe was very creative. Except he drank himself to death. No, he used heroin and they used all that stuff. Well, that was. He was a heroin addict. Well, that was the thing back in the day to go. Oh yeah. More to really wouldn't heroin. It was morphine. He was a morphine addict. Well, they didn't understand that you can't put morphine and Coca-Cola. And they used to think morphing was a cure for any type of middle age. Woman in hysteria. Well, in cocaine also as well. Yeah, Freud loved it so much. You get hooked on it. They didn't understand. I mean, that morphine is great and all. But you do eventually get a tolerance and an addiction for it. So now we just have addictions and tolerance for other things. Now minds, you know, carnal knowledge, mostly. But yeah, of silly. So I would like to go see more about this museum that supposedly his paintings are in. What is the museum? Uh, we look at up here. I have a ton of notes, guys. I want a little notes on this thing. Yeah, she's been a very interested in it. I don't know why. I guess it's like in our back yard, and I'm like, What the heck? Well, there, it's just somebody being greedy and being selfish and narcissistic. And if they thought about it for it, not thinking about it, if they thought about it for 2 seconds, this woman would have never sold body parts guaranteed. But you have to also stay there and look at the other coin of yeah, this is considered probably inappropriate and it is. But if you want to play devil's advocate here, maybe to them in their mind, there's nothing wrong with having a skull on the kitchen counter or whatever. Well, no, I mean, goth. You remember the Goth? Yeah, I remember. Gosh, I. Got tons of friends through like that. What was the museum of what? It was the Museum of Death in New Orleans. New Orleans? And we should go there. That would be cool. Nola, Museum of Death in Hollywood. In New Orleans. But if you think about it, though, I mean, if you want to play devil's advocate here is passed on. You don't need your body to science. Your family relinquished your body. You're supposed to be cremated because that's a moral thing to do. But they don't allow you to take any pictures inside of it. But do your parts really belong to anybody anymore after that? I would say yes, but that's just me. But what are you going to do with all those body parts? I mean, really, if you're going to resell them, what are you going to do with them? Are you going to stick them in your jars or just have them around your house all day long? You remember that meme of the little young little girl running that they everybody had run in from Oprah for a long time. No little girl in the in the yellow raincoat, remember? I've sent it to you. She's got a bone, you know. Oh, I found this humerus around. This humerus. Yeah. That's what you do with those kind of things. But I mean, it shows on his website. He's got bags of teeth and femurs in different bones. And it says in there, I got some new medical bones to dig through. It's like. I don't understand why people have that fascination. It's because it's taboo and it's macabre and it's creepy and they like to, be on the fringes of society. And there's something wrong with being on the fringes of society as long as you're not hurting other people. But then my thought is, you've got to define that. We're going to need to find somebody to talk about it. We need to get somebody on there who understands, who has a definable aspect of what's going on, that they can explain to us that I kind of get it. I mean, I do kind of get it, but it's like one of those dark places that I don't want to go in my psyche because I've decided already that it's inappropriate and I don't want to be that person. I've already decided it. But I do understand exactly or not completely exactly, but for the most part, what they're thinking and what they're feeling. What they're doing is crap. It makes you feel dominant. It makes you feel like you have something on the other person. This is in general, when you talk to people, it makes you feel like you're you're super powerful. Like you have control over your life because you're alive. They're not kind of thing in there. But to get, you know, to each person is going to be different. It's never going to be it's you're never going to find a definitive outline of a personality type that likes to do this. But to play devil's advocate here, was he really hurting anybody? Well, yeah, he was making said he was make it up. He's making money. It's I don't I don't condone with this guy dead. Okay, guys. But I'm just trying to say it's okay to be different. It's okay to like that kind of stuff. It's okay to be to go to these wunderkammer type places and things like that and look at that website. But if you're not really hurting anybody, I guess as a society, are we afraid of that? People are going to get a big shovel and try to go out there and dig up grandma, make money? I mean, is that why this is such a taboo topic. That the problem that you have is, in my opinion, is that we're not considering at this point once somebody is dead, we're not considering that person that was alive. What was their opinion of this? Would they want this true? People probably don't think about that because they think they're not here. They no longer have a soul or claim to that. Well, some of these people don't believe the soul exists. So there's that. But let's not worry about that as much as the fact that these were humans. They had a choice in their life to eat bread or to eat rice. And for the most part, you get what I'm saying. They had a choice to get a driver's license. They had a choice to pick up a you know, pick up a pencil or use a pen. And I don't think it's fair to them to, after they're dead, to steal their shit and be exploited and basically exploiting them. Now, as that saying it shouldn't be done now they're saying that when you die, if you want some bone collector, goofball that likes this kind of weird stuff. I guess donate yourself to him. Yeah. Put it in. Get it. I think it should be something that as allowable and not illegal as long as the person says yes, you can have it. But it's doubly illegal if you go and grabbed somebody's bones who didn't give you permission. Make sense? Yeah. And you? We can now put a DNA profile with this. You know, all they have to do is take a DNA test, which I took one. You took one? We have. Our DNA profile available. Yeah. On ancestry. Yes. You can download that. I've got mine. All right. So and you stick that on your take your DNA profile, put it in your last will and testament, saying, I give this to this dude, and that way they can test the bones and find out if anybody, you know, they make the claim. Well, he's stealing shit. Then you could test the bones. No, it was in here. Here's their DNA profile. It's in the will. If you think about that. So you do that. Okay. Say, I don't want to donate my body to. Yeah, Mr. Jones down the road. Okay. And he I die and he goes to Mr. Jones down the road. Is it really okay to like I guess at that point you relinquish all rights and if he wants to stuff you and stick you on the mantle, I guess that's your choice. Yeah. It's if you're giving it to you, sell it to him. He gives you he gives you 5000 bucks ahead of time. That's just crazy to make one. I. I guess you have the right to do whatever you want. But we don't because it's actually not legal right now. You can't do that. You can't make that transaction at the moment. Can't sell anything. I mean. I think it should be legal. I think as long as it's controllable and trackable, it should be legal and there's no reason for it not to be. Well, I mean, I guess we have live donor situations and kidneys where you're voluntarily giving up your kidney, but you're still breathing. You can make that choice. But I mean, what do you want to do with all this stuff is what I don't get. Like, do you want to display, like, a whole human body in jars in your house? I guess if you're into that kind of stuff? Well, let's say you're an experimental doctor and you need. And you're also a doctor, right? Ah, that's. Osteo. Yeah. You're a D.O., a forget Meadows stands for medical doctor and a Doctorate of. Bones, basically. Well, it's a different type of M.D. They can still practice like anything, but they they have a different scope of how they learn a different facility. And then he would need those. He would need fresh ones. We'll go to a university with research. Well, I know, but what? I don't have a problem with a dude doing his own as long as he gets the materials through, you know, legal ways and non reprehensible ways, that's fine to me. Okay, but. What gets me is this this guy, you know, what does he do with the stuff he doesn't want to use? Does he just stick it out in the trash or does he dispose of it properly? You think about that being the trash man coming. Up to me. You guys have no way. To Mr. Pauly's house, and you're picking up the trash, and you see, like, a femur that's broken sticking out of his trash. I doubt he would give that femur up. He would, like, put it in a lampshade or something. I doubt the the well, you talk about the trash guy. Tom's probably talk about Jeremy. Jeremy Poly. He can't keep everything. I imagine he he said I got to sort through these medical bones. Yeah. You know, like, what do you do with the rest of it? Do use dispose of it properly. Do you bury it? What did he do? I couldn't find anything on what they're going to do with all this stuff. I Would imagine if is anything like human waste, they're going to probably use it for a trial. And after that, are you required to keep it for a amount of time? Yes. He appeals. Yeah, I would. You are. Now you're acquired for, I don't know, every 50. Years ago you didn't have to try. Every state's differently. For how long. They want to keep certain type of evidence. But what do you what do you do then? You preserve it in formaldehyde. These poor police departments got like all these jurors. Well, they got art cocaine for, like, 20 years. So what are you going to do with all this stuff? It piles up after a while. Yeah. What's he going to do with it? Is he, like, cremating it in the backyard? Like some beginning of a horror film? I think he just documented it and go on for the cops, but just take pictures of it. DNA samples, I mean, you get all the information you get out of it anyway. But the families. That's the problem that I have is that these people did not act. They did not say it was okay to hang my teeth around your neck on a necklace. But think about it. Poor Uams, who relies upon donations for the medical students. They're probably not going to have. A lot of people want to still donate to them. And this really affects how doctors learn because your first year of medical school, I think one of your first semesters is you're in the anatomy class where you're there with the cadaver. The whole semester. You've got to come. Up and look and learn. And the other way. To do it. Or is really no. You could do it virtually now I guess. It's virtual. Virtual reality. I mean, I don't know. I could talk to some of the people, the hospital, ask him how their first year of medical school was and if they feel like they could do it virtually. I mean, technology is amazing where you could do 3D models, but yeah, I've heard. Surgeons are going to be a surgeon. I don't think it really should matter that. Much, but I've listened to surgeons explain it. It's how something feels and how something looks. No, a surgeon definitely needs to cut somebody open who's not going to die. You know that cut something necrotic is something. Look, I mean, they're various, studious to the feel and touch and how everything. Else agree with that. They should be they should be cut on dead people. But all day long. But is this going to affect how our future physicians probably are able to be taught? Because I don't think it's going to be that big a deal because it'll go away in a little while and people will forget about it for the next catastrophe or the next profile thing and the next. The interesting thing, only people like you and I remember this stuff forever. We're the only ones that log it and remember it ten years later. Everybody else just moves on. I guess because I like to learn stuff and find stuff interesting. I remember every freaking thing and it's annoying. Now this is true. You do remember everything. It's sad in it. But it's this whole thing brings up a lot of morality of like the laws behind donating things to science is your. I think we should just once let it happen more. UMass turns it over to the mortuary. Do they have, like, some losses? Say they have to cremate it? Yes. I would think there is I think there's there's probably a law to allow you aims to cut on people who are dead that has to be cremated. Yeah. Because out of respect but what my thing is when I'm trying to look up this Candace person I was trying to see, okay, she works in the mortuary. What does she do? Is she like the receptionist? She like a. Cause. She had to have access to the coroner's assistant. I mean, what does she do to have such access to all these dark corners? Assistant Way back in the day, yes. But that's corner's assistance different than mortuary work. Go Well, I just helped basically like way organs and help with autopsies and things like that. It's a job to get through nursing school, but. Big Bob. Yeah. No. No. But anyway. That look on your face, face, we wonder. Rick. Bob There was none of that going on. Very professional what. Look at here. But it was kind of like I was watching and trying to see like, is she a coroner's assistant? Does you hold a license? Who is this girl? And I could find nothing on her. She obviously has no licensing because you would be able to find her. I don't know. We looked up on the nurses registry. Now she's not a nurse that I could find. That's curious. I was like, not that I want to harass this poor woman. I would just I would like to truly believe that. She might be a good person who has a bad situation and needed the money. That's why I'm going. To do it. Or she could be the opposite. And nine times out of ten, you know that if a person's a good person, they're not stealing nine times out of ten. Yeah. And if they're a bad person, they're just doing whatever they can. I'm just going to get me some cash and go down and get me a new app, a phone and a good tote bag. You know, I'm just saying, I'm not. I is that some of the biggest jerks I've ever met or people I went to school with in. And that's what they do sometimes. They just I don't care. I see it's money, man. Yeah. And it just makes me wonder, how long was she doing this and was she doing it? She did it before she did this one time before. So is it one of those desperation things where she thinks, hmm, you know. Or she just their iPad. They're done. With their minerals makeup. Or I don't know, maybe she's in charge of cremation and she's just like, you know, I really don't want to do this because cremation is not exactly a fun job and. Cool warm. In the warm. You know, we're wear shorts 20, you. Know, but, you know, maybe she's like, this really doesn't belong to anybody and doesn't really understand the law and just decided she was going to make a couple bucks. It's pretty selfish. It's extremely selfish to be that way. What does not want to do your job? No, that didn't belong to anybody. I agree that's not true. It does belong to somebody. Some people, though, don't hold morals. Or they haven't been taught ethics. True. I mean morals to understand that that belonged to a human. But maybe they're just so disassociated with the fact that all they're looking at is a liver. That that liver belonged to someone. Yeah, because we don't have to cut up room mate anymore. We buy it already. Cut up at the store. We don't have to. We're not just maybe she's I mean, who knows? And that type of job, I would imagine like it is sometimes in nursing. And don't get me wrong, you get kind of desensitized. Yeah well gets a cops end up being bad sometimes they get desensitized and they're like, look, you're going to do what I tell you and get because they're tired of having to deal with idiots all day. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. But I don't know. I just wanted to know more about her, to know if it was just something that was sinister or if it was something that she just legitimately. Felt she had no choice. Maybe. I mean, sometimes some people who steal and that's what they feel. It's like it's like if you've ever taken something you really value to the pawnshop and pandit and paid it back over time and got it back, you're just doing what you got to do, man. Yeah. You got to do what you do to survive. And I mean. Some people just pawn it and walk away because they just think of it as selling it. They don't deal with it no more. And that's not that's not a moral or ethical stance. But if you pay it off and go pick it back up, you know, I have a choice. I mean, times have been tough with the economy and things like that lately. But I mean, I'm not going to say that I would just, I guess, like to believe. I want to believe. I want to believe us all, like Mulder off The X-Files. But I don't know. I was just curious about her. So I'm not a stalker, but I would like to just ask her, Hey, why did you do it? You know? So you're going to close it. I got to close it. You got to close it. Oh, wow. Already in an hour. Yeah. Close. Right. 50 minutes. Oh, wow. An hour goes back. Hurts. Yes. Poor guy's next one hurting him all week. So he picks stuff up Friday. So we're open to whatever topics that you guys found interesting. We just decided to talk about this one because I thought it was interesting. So this is not only about things Paul wants to know. I want to know. She's like, Oh, that's so sweet. I feel like I'm with her mama. It's not just about me. You're doing this, too. I was just curious because this is in our backyard. And what happened and is this happened before? And there's so many unanswered questions that I'll be curious to see how this case evolves over the next couple of weeks and months. Well, he's just a dude thinking he's doing his job and really he should be able to do it, but there should be a legal way for him to do it instead of having to go on the black market. Because you know, he's done this before. Yeah, he did. He pulled the trigger so fast on her the first time that he's done this before. Well, I want to know is what defines it legally and illegally? I couldn't find it really any information that truly defined that. That's why there. Needs to be a certain set of laws that are ready to. Go. But Pennsylvania may have different laws in Arkansas. So, you know. I'm telling the feds are involved, too. That's because guess the FBI FBI's involved because it's an interstate. Interstate. Trust state. No interstate crime. Interstate crime in. Intrastate is I still from bill in the next over or the next county over because then it becomes a state problem because the counties can't enforce each other's laws. This is true. So the states can enforce each other's laws so it becomes an FBI problem. Remember the 1920s? All the bank robbers? Oh yeah. That's where the FBI had to come around because the guys rob the bank and then leave the state and there's nothing they could do about it. So they got the FBI and started telling people in jail. You got to keep all money safe. So guys out there who's listening, all our listeners, please email us and let us know what. You G at Paul G. Newton account. Yes. Email. Let us know what you're curious about, what you want to know, and maybe. I don't know. I'll see if I could get an interview set up with a mortician. I'm curious. I have a lot of questions. I'm sure we can do that. I know I've got a lot of friends who are morticians. I just curious questions. We're hopefully going to be able to talk to somebody about cowboys, right? Oh, Marsha, about you. We're going to talk about the old West myth versus reality. Though, could. Interesting. And her several other topics add up. Oh the Crescent Hotel. Yeah one of my to get a. Hold of that guy again. I have a story to tell you by the Crescent Hotel now that one about a personal guide. To save it for the pack I'll. Save it for the podcast owner. So you know it's kind of spooky along the same lines the guy was in that that was in the hotel. Yes. B hospital. He did creepy bad things. Uh, okay. More to follow on that, guys. Creepy, bad things. Okay. Sounds good to me. So, guys, thank you for listening so very. Nice with the girls. And girls. Two guys, girls, everybody, whatever. You define yourself. We love you and thank you. Send me an email Paul G apology Newton dot com and will be able to get the next thing set up for you. We enjoy doing this. It's just a screwing around mostly and I enjoy hanging out with Andrea. Thank you. I enjoy hanging out with you. Oh. Nobody's going to listen if we get all mushy. This is true. Yeah, well, they might. I mean, you never know. People have weird ringing the by body parts. Yeah. Anyway, so I guess we'll see you later. Talk to you later. This is things I want to know. And in this case, things and you know, and if we thought about calling this guy at the jail and see if we can get him on the. Phone, I tried, but they won't let me call. Oh, let me talk to him. That'd be cool. I tried. We'd had to pay for the phone call, though. That's like 20 bucks. I tried. Let me talk to him. Oh, well, when did you try doing that? When you were waiting to go inside. One of the places I sit in the car, I was trying to get a hold of the jail, and they said that he's no longer accepting calls unless you're on his phone list. And I was like, Can I get on his phone list? And they hung up on me. I just want to talk to him. Well, you know, he's got Fox, NBC. He's probably had enough people book him. So he's going to sell the story. You know, he's going to sell the story to somebody. His lawyer probably told him not to talk to anybody because anything that's recorded and stuff that can be used in his court case. So I get it. I totally get it. But hopefully we can still keep trying and maybe talk to him. That'll be cool. All right. I guess we will talk later, right? Yes. Bye, guys. Bye.